Overdose crisis DT Kelowna

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the truth wrote: like they are just a piece of meat like walking zombies-



shouldn't insult MEAT like that..
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mattinkelowna wrote:I'm wondering what percentage of people we save with our taxes take the opportunity to change their lives around, vs how many go right back into shooting garbage in their veins again, and need yet another 'saving' at our expense.

Meanwhile, genuinely sick people can't access proper care in a timely fashion in this town.

I hope you feel the same about people who knowingly eat crappy food, are overweight, don't exercise and are a constant drain on the healthcare system. How many overweight people go to their doctor, are told they need to make serious lifestyle changes, and then just go back to their same old bad habits?
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well in reality zapping an addict back to life can cause brain damage and other side effects...

https://www.concordmonitor.com/brain-in ... se-6742986


Three minutes.


That’s the window of time overdose victims have before their brain starts to die.



People tend to think of drug overdoses in black and white terms: either you are revived with Narcan and are fine, or you die. But there is also a gray area, where the brain is damaged by lack of oxygen.

The overdose reversal drug Narcan may be lulling drug users into a false sense of security, health officials said. But they add Narcan is still a crucial, life-saving tool that should be distributed so that more people have access to it and can reverse overdoses as quickly as possible.

Health officials say drug-related brain injuries pose a real problem. Because so many drug users are young people, many will need varying levels of care for the rest of their lives.

“It’s just such a cost to society,” Bruch said.

People who are severely damaged may need many years of physical therapy and intensive medical care, from feeding and tracheostomy tubes to trying to regain their ability to walk, talk, feed and dress themselves.

Some people lose their sense of time and their daily routine. For instance, a person might remember they need to go to work, but can’t initiate the process of getting out of bed and getting dressed. They might not be able to remember where they’re supposed to go, or how to get from one end of their office to another.

“They can’t string together a day,” said Kresge. “You don’t understand what you need help with and what your problems are.”

That can prove to be very expensive for families, who may have to become caretakers themselves or hire people to look after their adult children.

It proves doubly difficult when you consider a drug user with a brain injury is still addicted to drugs, forcing families to deal with two complicated and difficult medical conditions at once.

Opioids already make users impulsive and impair judgement; add a brain injury into the mix and it can make the problem far worse.
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The comment that was "cherry picked" from the full article, also went on to state:
At the Krempels Center in Portsmouth, people with brain injuries slowly learn how to get their lives back. The center provides day programs for rehabilitation, but it also serves as an emotional support network for brain injury survivors and their families.

Kresge, the center’s program director, said there are just a few Krempels members whose brain injuries came as a result of drug overdoses.

“We haven’t necessarily noticed an uptick. That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that happens,” Kresge said.

In her line of work, Kresge sees brain injury survivors ranging from people who are nonverbal and need full care to people whose brain injury effects are much more subtle.


The article is about brain injuries with many different causes, NOT just drug ods. In fact, if someone would take the time to read the entire article, they would find that it speaks very little about drug related, mental issues.
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alanjh595 wrote:The comment that was "cherry picked" from the full article, also went on to state:
At the Krempels Center in Portsmouth, people with brain injuries slowly learn how to get their lives back. The center provides day programs for rehabilitation, but it also serves as an emotional support network for brain injury survivors and their families.

Kresge, the center’s program director, said there are just a few Krempels members whose brain injuries came as a result of drug overdoses.

“We haven’t necessarily noticed an uptick. That being said, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that happens,” Kresge said.

In her line of work, Kresge sees brain injury survivors ranging from people who are nonverbal and need full care to people whose brain injury effects are much more subtle.


The article is about brain injuries with many different causes, NOT just drug ods. In fact, if someone would take the time to read the entire article, they would find that it speaks very little about drug related, mental issues.


-and yet the title of the article is:

Brain injury is one little-known offshoot of New Hampshire’s drug crisis

I would suggest you need to read the entire article as you're the one cherry picking. The entire article, save the last couple of paragraphs you've posted, is regarding brain injury from overdose due to opioid use.
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Why don,t we save some taxpayers money and let them go.
If they choose to do drugs they choose to end their lives!
There are too many useless people in this town so do
Yourselves all a favour and let them go.....
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Kyoddie56 wrote:Why don,t we save some taxpayers money and let them go.
If they choose to do drugs they choose to end their lives!
There are too many useless people in this town so do
Yourselves all a favour and let them go.....

Should we do the same with smokers who get lung cancer? Overweight people who have heart attacks? There are a lot of people who choose to do things detrimental to their health. I'm just wondering where you feel the line should be drawn.
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:topic: ya no need to repeat yourself, this is about overdose crisis
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And I'm asking if the policies some people are suggesting for treatment (or lack of treatment) for drug addicts are reasonable given we don't hold people with other health concerns and addictions (smoking and food) to the same standard. It's completely on topic.
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Jonrox wrote:And I'm asking if the policies some people are suggesting for treatment (or lack of treatment) for drug addicts are reasonable given we don't hold people with other health concerns and addictions (smoking and food) to the same standard. It's completely on topic.


Fair points, although one could simply argue legal vs. illegal activities.
Why are Naloxone kits free, yet EpiPens cost a small fortune?
Why are needles for IV drug users handed out free - yet litter our streets, whereas pop cans can be returned for a refund?
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Maybe give them a punch card & if they've been fixed / revived 2 times in a day the 3rd. time it's sorry ?
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great point............. walter
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Why even bother discussing a "solution" that will never happen? It's not remotely legal or ever will be. Ethics aside, changing the Charter is a monumental task and this would never have the support to pass.
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Jonrox wrote:
Kyoddie56 wrote:Why don,t we save some taxpayers money and let them go.
If they choose to do drugs they choose to end their lives!
There are too many useless people in this town so do
Yourselves all a favour and let them go.....

Should we do the same with smokers who get lung cancer? Overweight people who have heart attacks? There are a lot of people who choose to do things detrimental to their health. I'm just wondering where you feel the line should be drawn.

last time I checked a needle full of smack was illegal a big mac is not cigarettes are not so dont even compare them to allowing lowlifes to do their ILLEGAL drugs at the tax payers expense in a safe place, let each and every one of them od and die society will be better off.
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WalterWhite wrote:The article is about brain injuries with many different causes, NOT just drug ods. In fact, if someone would take the time to read the entire article, they would find that it speaks very little about drug related, mental issues.


-and yet the title of the article is:

Brain injury is one little-known offshoot of New Hampshire’s drug crisis

I would suggest you need to read the entire article as you're the one cherry picking. The entire article, save the last couple of paragraphs you've posted, is regarding brain injury from overdose due to opioid use.[/quote]

"little known" for a reason, because it is of little relevance.

Where is the "New Hampshire" neighbour hood in Kelowna? I have never heard of it. Is it close to downtown?
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