Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

[alanjh595]

and we can blame are city leaders, bc housing, jhs, mental health for dropping these 24/7 crack shacks in are neighbourhoods

Water takes the path of least resistance, and once it has reached the bottom of the pool, there it will settle and stay.

Can't change the basic laws of physics. Learn to swim.

[JonyDarko]

It Sure does make it easy to say things like that while sitting in a boat.

[the truth]

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So regardless of semantics we all agree this is an issue and addicts need rehab? Why argue amongst ourselves? Why not brainstorm to find ways to have our voices heard and demand action from the people in charge of the money?

[zoo]

Addicts (homeless or not) who go through detox need someplace to live after detox where they can work on recovery and which has in-house supports for them to recover. Instead people who detox are thrown back into the same environment they came out of, whether it is on the street or back to their homes with the same friends & family who enable them. Why aren't the Health Authorities and government addressing this Judy Darcy (BC Minister of Mental Health and Addictions), Adrian Dix (BC Minister of Health), Selina Robinson (BC Minister of Housing)?

Yes, anyone who can detox, and the numbers are showing it is not working right now, end up right back in the same environment that created it. User of such drugs are increasing. More and more people are becoming addicts because the society is a supporter of it. Even if you get 10 people to detox and can somehow stay away from the society that it flourishes in, another 40 join up.
This battle, the direction taken to think it can be controlled, will never work. The environment is alive and willing to create more addicts. Its too easy, its too available, its basically legal to partake.
How do you ever get ahead of this when for every one person you are dealing with another is becoming addicted?
It cannot be fixed here, our system, social culture, PC.
So many people still think money for resources is the answer, Lets see,,,,, its not working,,,its getting worse.

[the truth]

exactly.............. sad but true.

[alanjh595]

How do we know that this experiment is a failure before it has had the opportunity to run it's course.

There are a few on here that won't even give it a try.
We know from experience that other methods have not worked over years of trials, but this one has not been attempted.

I say, "Try it".
If it doesn't work, we try something else.

[the truth]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... ank#307702

o look robber hiding in cornerstone , welcome to wet facility trash , and what they bring to rutland

[DarbyD]

Addicts (homeless or not) who go through detox need someplace to live after detox where they can work on recovery and which has in-house supports for them to recover. Instead people who detox are thrown back into the same environment they came out of, whether it is on the street or back to their homes with the same friends & family who enable them. Why aren't the Health Authorities and government addressing this Judy Darcy (BC Minister of Mental Health and Addictions), Adrian Dix (BC Minister of Health), Selina Robinson (BC Minister of Housing)?

Yes, anyone who can detox, and the numbers are showing it is not working right now, end up right back in the same environment that created it. User of such drugs are increasing. More and more people are becoming addicts because the society is a supporter of it. Even if you get 10 people to detox and can somehow stay away from the society that it flourishes in, another 40 join up.
This battle, the direction taken to think it can be controlled, will never work. The environment is alive and willing to create more addicts. Its too easy, its too available, its basically legal to partake.
How do you ever get ahead of this when for every one person you are dealing with another is becoming addicted?
It cannot be fixed here, our system, social culture, PC.
So many people still think money for resources is the answer, Lets see,,,,, its not working,,,its getting worse.

Detox is only a 1st step in addiction treatment to get people through withdrawl symptoms of the poison. Then governments and some non profits drop the ball and send people back to their old environment.

A SOLUTION that is coming under attack and being minimized is that the government needs to build "dry" residences for addicts to have a place to rehab and recover with supports, away from previous drug influencers. I think this is the idea behind Freedoms Door. I've talked to other people from various non profits who work with people suffering from substance abuse, they too believe "dry" residential housing for rehabilitation and recovery, with addiction supports is the ONLY way to help many. There are virtually no beds let alone buildings offering residential addiction services. The only non profit I know of in Kelowna offering some of this is https://www.thebridgeservices.ca/about/ , and they say there are no beds.

I'm not sure if this is still true but Kelowna City Park used to be the place kids would go to be "rebels" and get away from their restrictive parents. There they could find a listener to their problems, little knowing that same listener would soon be offering them drugs and leading them down the path of addiction. Addicts, alchoholics all love company and are quite willing to indoctrinate the young and vulnerable. Often some of the young people grow up with active addiction as part of their family, so they don't always know how to get away from it. The Foundry in Kelowna has been working toward helping youth: https://foundrybc.ca/kelowna/ ... another part of the SOLUTION.

I'll just state this again although it's not a popular sentiment in some circles. Addicts need more than Detox, they need "dry" residential rehabilitation with supports, and then they need "dry" residential recovery places with supports. (Edited to add: These residences should not include active addicts who are not trying to get away from addiction.) When access to the other steps are NOT available Detox rarely works. The government should be building "dry" places for rehab and recovery. People who are addicts are crying out for these kinds of services.

Instead the homeless addicts get a roof with no in-house addiction supports or programs, and they get to live among active addicts who will try to lure them back into addiction.

Society wants a quick fix. There is NO quick fix. If a recovering addict lapses, they come out of the residence and go back to rehab before being allowed back into a recovery residence. Many people have been helped this way, but it is not easy, nor quick.

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Of course they need dry housing. Of course they need rehab. People are screaming for services to help people but everyone twists it all up say Rutland is just being NIMBY about this all.

We all know what is needed however the people in charge refuse to do the right things over and over.

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Also why is there no public outcry that the petition signed by 14 000 people was ignored by elected officials?

[liisgo]

How do we know that this experiment is a failure before it has had the opportunity to run it's course.

There are a few on here that won't even give it a try.
We know from experience that other methods have not worked over years of trials, but this one has not been attempted.

I say, "Try it".
If it doesn't work, we try something else.

It doesn't matter that there are some here that wont even give it a try, they cannot change the fact that the "experiment" is in place right now.
High end drug rehab facilities, like that celebrities use, are out of the way and not immersed right in the middle of the very same environment helped people become addicts in the first place.
The reason it is failing and will continue to fail is because its design and complete failure to address the issue's that promote the use of drugs in the first place. Because the program is in our province, country, it is designed around meeting the political demands and so called humans rights and fluffiness of society.
Not to mention, even if we could assist 1 addict through rehab, another 2 maybe 20 or more are fallen prey to the very same environment that we cannot fix or rid ourselves of.
If you want rehab, get on that bus over there and we will take you to a place, with lots of assistance and programs, far away and help you.
Want to just mask the problem and never find a cure, get on the bus to one of many Rutland locations.

[the truth]

this is what wet facilities brings to rutland https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... cle#308613 thanks for nothing jhs, ih, and city of kelowna leaders

[alanjh595]

this is what wet facilities brings to rutland https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... cle#308613 thanks for nothing jhs, ih, and city of kelowna leaders

This guy could have been from Vernon or Winfield. The only thing that can be taken from that article is; People in Rutland, don't lock up their bikes very well and are easy pickins'.

[voice of reason]

this is what wet facilities brings to rutland https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... cle#308613 thanks for nothing jhs, ih, and city of kelowna leaders

This guy could have been from Vernon or Winfield. The only thing that can be taken from that article is; People in Rutland, don't lock up their bikes very well and are easy pickins'.

what do you suggest they do? lock it in a vault? the guy is clearly using bolt cutters .i am pretty sure the rutlanders are aware they need to lock their bikes up