Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

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Postby DarbyD » Aug 10th, 2020, 10:57 am

just_browsing wrote:I've been a resident of Rutland for 20 years now and I can tell you 100% that the problem is being quietly pushed out in this direction. You don't have to look much further than the drug trailer they consistently setup right next to the grocery store. I've been a first responder for as many years and I am here to tell you that there never was a drug problem out in this neighborhood. They are trying to create it by luring the people from downtown to Rutland. This will make it look like the decisions to put in all the "recovery" homes was a good decision.

Instead of bitching about it though, I wonder if there is a way to get the "evidence" as to why the drug trailer is stationed out here to begin with. The only reason I've ever been given is the fact that it is IH's property, so they can get get away with it. Shouldn't there be public stats with the information to select this as a site needed for a safe injection site?

I promise you this, there never was even the slightest drug problem out here. Sure, we responded to residential overdoses spread throughout Rutland, but the same goes for every other neighborhood in Kelowna.

North Glenmore has as many drug addicts as Rutland had...before slowly luring them out here. I'm now seeing more and more of the downtown faces out in this area. Makes me sick really...but I'd rather have concrete answers than *bleep* about it. This way we can get results and create pressure where it needs to be applied to ensure that Rutland isn't slowly converted to Leon.

alanjh595 wrote:Hein Rd has been a problem for decades, but services are limited there for those that need it.
I agree, in that Kelowna council is moving the Leon dwellers to another area and spreading them out as much as possible, so that that they can claim a big win for cleaning up downtown to support their re-election campaign.
They are just addressing the most predominate problem and moving it to another area.

Is it right?......NO.....but what are their choices?
If they gather all of them up and take them somewhere outside any city limit and house them......we have already seen, by the opinions on this forum alone, that would not be acceptable.
It doesn't matter what solution is offered/given, it will always be objected to by someone.


There are addicts who aren't homeless and there are are homeless who aren't addicts. These can be two separate issues. There is an addiction crisis as well as an opioid crisis in Canada and should be being addressed by the governments and Health Authorities separate from the homeless crisis.

Agreed: Services are limited for those who need it and want it. Why is that? That is where tax payers dollars should be spent instead of NO RULES housing, which is the new agenda including now to decriminalize possession of small amounts of drugs. The leaders of the country and province would rather do that than pay the big bucks for infrastructure for addiction treatment, which the new agenda says doesn't work!! REALLY! Drugs are a poison which destroys cognitive ability of those who use and abuse it. What about that is so hard to understand? We should be helping people who want to stop poisoning themselves. Addicts need long term help to do that, often long term residential treatment help. Residences that have in-house addiction treatment, not in-house shoot up parlors. THAT should be the government focus for infrastructure.

Addicts (homeless or not) who go through detox need someplace to live after detox where they can work on recovery and which has in-house supports for them to recover. Instead people who detox are thrown back into the same environment they came out of, whether it is on the street or back to their homes with the same friends & family who enable them. Why aren't the Health Authorities and government addressing this Judy Darcy (BC Minister of Mental Health and Addictions), Adrian Dix (BC Minister of Health), Selina Robinson (BC Minister of Housing)?
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby DarbyD » Aug 10th, 2020, 11:05 am

Scrobins94 wrote:Keep contributing Rutland:
https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... tland-home

the truth wrote:that is what happens when the city moves most of the wet facilities in rutland , crime will follow, these places are pure cancer


Human Predators. They follow the addicts wherever they move because they are easy to manipulate and bend to their will. They cause addicts to; steal, sell drugs, buy drugs, prostitute, pan handle, threaten others, lure others into drug life. These Predators often never get their hands dirty they leave that to the addicts. It's a hierarchy with addicts being at the bottom.
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby the truth » Aug 10th, 2020, 11:44 am

and we can blame are city leaders, bc housing, jhs, mental health for dropping these 24/7 crack shacks in are neighbourhoods :cuss: :swear:
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Postby alanjh595 » Aug 10th, 2020, 4:05 pm

the truth wrote:and we can blame are city leaders, bc housing, jhs, mental health for dropping these 24/7 crack shacks in are neighbourhoods :cuss: :swear:


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Postby JonyDarko » Aug 10th, 2020, 6:40 pm

It Sure does make it easy to say things like that while sitting in a boat.
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby Graphite » Aug 11th, 2020, 7:07 am

So regardless of semantics we all agree this is an issue and addicts need rehab? Why argue amongst ourselves? Why not brainstorm to find ways to have our voices heard and demand action from the people in charge of the money?
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby zoo » Aug 11th, 2020, 2:13 pm


Addicts (homeless or not) who go through detox need someplace to live after detox where they can work on recovery and which has in-house supports for them to recover. Instead people who detox are thrown back into the same environment they came out of, whether it is on the street or back to their homes with the same friends & family who enable them. Why aren't the Health Authorities and government addressing this Judy Darcy (BC Minister of Mental Health and Addictions), Adrian Dix (BC Minister of Health), Selina Robinson (BC Minister of Housing)?


Yes, anyone who can detox, and the numbers are showing it is not working right now, end up right back in the same environment that created it. User of such drugs are increasing. More and more people are becoming addicts because the society is a supporter of it. Even if you get 10 people to detox and can somehow stay away from the society that it flourishes in, another 40 join up.
This battle, the direction taken to think it can be controlled, will never work. The environment is alive and willing to create more addicts. Its too easy, its too available, its basically legal to partake.
How do you ever get ahead of this when for every one person you are dealing with another is becoming addicted?
It cannot be fixed here, our system, social culture, PC.
So many people still think money for resources is the answer, Lets see,,,,, its not working,,,its getting worse.

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Postby the truth » Aug 11th, 2020, 2:19 pm

exactly.............. sad but true.
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Postby alanjh595 » Aug 11th, 2020, 2:35 pm

How do we know that this experiment is a failure before it has had the opportunity to run it's course.

There are a few on here that won't even give it a try.
We know from experience that other methods have not worked over years of trials, but this one has not been attempted.

I say, "Try it".
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Postby the truth » Aug 12th, 2020, 7:12 am

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... ank#307702

o look robber hiding in cornerstone , welcome to wet facility trash , and what they bring to rutland
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby DarbyD » Aug 12th, 2020, 10:41 am

DarbyD wrote:
Addicts (homeless or not) who go through detox need someplace to live after detox where they can work on recovery and which has in-house supports for them to recover. Instead people who detox are thrown back into the same environment they came out of, whether it is on the street or back to their homes with the same friends & family who enable them. Why aren't the Health Authorities and government addressing this Judy Darcy (BC Minister of Mental Health and Addictions), Adrian Dix (BC Minister of Health), Selina Robinson (BC Minister of Housing)?

zoo wrote:Yes, anyone who can detox, and the numbers are showing it is not working right now, end up right back in the same environment that created it. User of such drugs are increasing. More and more people are becoming addicts because the society is a supporter of it. Even if you get 10 people to detox and can somehow stay away from the society that it flourishes in, another 40 join up.
This battle, the direction taken to think it can be controlled, will never work. The environment is alive and willing to create more addicts. Its too easy, its too available, its basically legal to partake.
How do you ever get ahead of this when for every one person you are dealing with another is becoming addicted?
It cannot be fixed here, our system, social culture, PC.
So many people still think money for resources is the answer, Lets see,,,,, its not working,,,its getting worse.


Detox is only a 1st step in addiction treatment to get people through withdrawl symptoms of the poison. Then governments and some non profits drop the ball and send people back to their old environment.

A SOLUTION that is coming under attack and being minimized is that the government needs to build "dry" residences for addicts to have a place to rehab and recover with supports, away from previous drug influencers. I think this is the idea behind Freedoms Door. I've talked to other people from various non profits who work with people suffering from substance abuse, they too believe "dry" residential housing for rehabilitation and recovery, with addiction supports is the ONLY way to help many. There are virtually no beds let alone buildings offering residential addiction services. The only non profit I know of in Kelowna offering some of this is https://www.thebridgeservices.ca/about/ , and they say there are no beds.

I'm not sure if this is still true but Kelowna City Park used to be the place kids would go to be "rebels" and get away from their restrictive parents. There they could find a listener to their problems, little knowing that same listener would soon be offering them drugs and leading them down the path of addiction. Addicts, alchoholics all love company and are quite willing to indoctrinate the young and vulnerable. Often some of the young people grow up with active addiction as part of their family, so they don't always know how to get away from it. The Foundry in Kelowna has been working toward helping youth: https://foundrybc.ca/kelowna/ ... another part of the SOLUTION.

I'll just state this again although it's not a popular sentiment in some circles. Addicts need more than Detox, they need "dry" residential rehabilitation with supports, and then they need "dry" residential recovery places with supports. (Edited to add: These residences should not include active addicts who are not trying to get away from addiction.) When access to the other steps are NOT available Detox rarely works. The government should be building "dry" places for rehab and recovery. People who are addicts are crying out for these kinds of services.

Instead the homeless addicts get a roof with no in-house addiction supports or programs, and they get to live among active addicts who will try to lure them back into addiction.

Society wants a quick fix. There is NO quick fix. If a recovering addict lapses, they come out of the residence and go back to rehab before being allowed back into a recovery residence. Many people have been helped this way, but it is not easy, nor quick.
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Postby Graphite » Aug 17th, 2020, 7:43 pm

Of course they need dry housing. Of course they need rehab. People are screaming for services to help people but everyone twists it all up say Rutland is just being NIMBY about this all.

We all know what is needed however the people in charge refuse to do the right things over and over.
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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby Graphite » Aug 17th, 2020, 7:45 pm

Also why is there no public outcry that the petition signed by 14 000 people was ignored by elected officials?

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Re: Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

Postby liisgo » Aug 20th, 2020, 8:57 am

alanjh595 wrote:How do we know that this experiment is a failure before it has had the opportunity to run it's course.

There are a few on here that won't even give it a try.
We know from experience that other methods have not worked over years of trials, but this one has not been attempted.

I say, "Try it".
If it doesn't work, we try something else.


It doesn't matter that there are some here that wont even give it a try, they cannot change the fact that the "experiment" is in place right now.
High end drug rehab facilities, like that celebrities use, are out of the way and not immersed right in the middle of the very same environment helped people become addicts in the first place.
The reason it is failing and will continue to fail is because its design and complete failure to address the issue's that promote the use of drugs in the first place. Because the program is in our province, country, it is designed around meeting the political demands and so called humans rights and fluffiness of society.
Not to mention, even if we could assist 1 addict through rehab, another 2 maybe 20 or more are fallen prey to the very same environment that we cannot fix or rid ourselves of.
If you want rehab, get on that bus over there and we will take you to a place, with lots of assistance and programs, far away and help you.
Want to just mask the problem and never find a cure, get on the bus to one of many Rutland locations.

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