Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

[voice of reason]

Opioids are a very strong aspirin (metaphorically).





what are you even talking about ?

[wanderer]

Opioids are a very strong aspirin (metaphorically).

what are you even talking about ?

Omgosh
Asprin is not addicting, it can be habit forming and you might want more, but it's not addicting.
Opioids are addicting, the brain changes so it needs a dose of opioid.

Opiods are far from being a strong aspirin.

[alanjh595]

Opioids are a very strong aspirin (metaphorically).

what are you even talking about ?

Omgosh
Asprin is not addicting, it can be habit forming and you might want more, but it's not addicting.
Opioids are addicting, the body changes so it needs a dose of opioid.

The body is not changing, it's the brain that has changed.

Over time, prescription painkillers cause the pain you feel to increase.
In the United States we’ve been taught to think that when we feel pain, a pill will make us feel better. That’s true after you have surgery or an injury that will heal in a few days or weeks. But what many people don’t know is that if you use opioid pills for 4 or more weeks, it makes you more sensitive to pain and that makes the pain worse.

Opioids do provide relief by blocking pain. But then, your body reacts by increasing the number of receptors to try to get the pain signal through again. So when the drug wears off, a person will experience more pain for about three days. If they continue to take opioids, the pills become less and less effective. The pain keeps increasing not because of an injury, but due to the opioids themselves.

In addition, our bodies have natural opioids called endorphins. If your body becomes used to opioid pain medication, its ability to create and use natural endorphins will decrease. This makes you lose the ability to reduce pain on your own.

https://www.healthpartners.com/blog/why ... ain-worse/

[OldBlindDog]

The body is not changing, it's the brain that has changed.

But the brain is a part of the body, just like any other organ. I'm not sure why you're making the distinction, since we are discussing how opioids physically change someone.

[Grandan]

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Hundreds of thousands of people are on very expensive drug treatments due to poor lifestyle choices with alcohol and or Fructose. Add to that smoking cigarettes and the cost of such treatments as kidney dialysis, heart surgery, transplants, hip and knee replacements to name a few and these amounts far outweigh the piddling amounts paid to help drug addicts bring balance into their lives.
Many drug addicts got that way because of the freely available narcotics handed out by Doctors with the promotion by Big Pharma. Addicts have as much right to treatment as anyone else. Clearly both of you disagree based on fallacious information. Is it any wonder that your protests fall on deaf ears?

1st. Fructose, is natural and is needed by the body......in moderation, and when consumed in it's natural form.

Fructose, or fruit sugar, is a simple ketonic monosaccharide found in many plants, where it is often bonded to glucose to form the disaccharide sucrose. It is one of the three dietary monosaccharides, along with glucose and galactose, that are absorbed directly into blood during digestion.

2nd. Cigarettes and alcohol were once prescribed by doctors.

https://www.healio.com/hematology-oncol ... d-approved

It took many years of observation and the sharing of information between doctors before they came to the conclusion that, maybe the results did not justify the means. They found something that worked and went with it until something better came along. After all, it was common treatment for Epilepsy was shock therapy (that is now treated with a pill every day), and everyone that acted a little strange, was placed in a mental institution, including Epileptics.

3rd. Today's doctors are painting a picture with the best available colours on their pallet. They are doing the best they can with the medicines available to alleviate the pain of their patients. Doctors have also helped us live longer and take a heat from one person and place it into another, so they can live for another 40 years.

Doctors and pharmaceutical companies are keeping a larger portion of the population alive for longer times. He11, if a child was born with a defective heart 60 years ago, it was a forgone conclusion that baby would never see it's 1st birthday.

4th. Hip/knee replacements do not even belong on the list. Maybe, in a few years, you will find a need for these surgeries due to the many years of excessive high/moderate impact exercising over the past, has now forced you to make the decision to either have the surgery, or spend the rest of your life in a wheelchair.
AND after you get out of surgery and the pain is so great, you will be begging for pain meds. that are no longer available.

Fructose when consumed as a fruit is bound up with fibre which mitigates the damage done to your liver was consumed by early man in limited quantities for a short time during harvest time and was usually followed by a long fast.
Fructose is a substance that can only be processed by the liver which immediately turns it to fat, causing fatty liver which in turns causes metabolic syndrome, diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimer disease.
Fructose and glucose take different paths in the body, glucose is directly absorbed, fructose can only be processed by the liver. Fructose is not needed by the body,it is natures way of tricking you into consuming the fruit that is produced as a way of helping disperse it's seeds.
There is a epidemic of diabetes and obesity in case you have not noticed and it is caused by excessive sugar consumption, not fat as has been previously postulated.
If you doubt me read "Fat Chance" by Robert Lustig or "Pure White and Deadly" by John Yudkin who did the pioneer work on sugar in the 60's and published his results in 1972. This is all scientific fact.

[pieinthei]

and the government doesn't pay for our fructose/glucose/stevia/sugar/aspartame,or any other body altering crap you can buy in the store.. so why should WE pay for some junkies "safe supply" of opioids..
and most importantly.. government doesnt pay for my beer

[ferri]

Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

[Grandan]

It seems the cost of opiates is not so high if the Government dispenses them in a vending machine. About the cost of a sit down beer in the pub.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--4-.htm

A doctor whose focus is on public health says he will soon be dispensing opioids through a vending machine in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside in order to prevent overdoses from fentanyl-laced street drugs.

Dr. Mark Tyndall says the machine that's been created in Toronto would scan a patient's hand for identification before dispensing a pre-programmed number of hydromorphone pills that are a substitute for heroin.

Tyndall, who's also a professor of medicine at the University of B.C., says the pills cost about 35 cents each and focus groups with drug users have suggested most people would need about 10 to 16 pills a day.

Not having to steal from homeowners should make this a no-brainer for Rutland which has, as we know, done yeoman service in integrating the unfortunate Rutlanders lost to drugs back into the community.

[TJSmith]

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[DarbyD]

I think it should be important to insist that anywhere no barrier housing is put up, the schools in the area should have intensive education about the ugly reality of addictions and living on the street, and where that lifestyle choice can lead. Minus the sugar coating and normalizing of drug use that is currently being pushed. Especially since BC Housing, Journey Home, City of Kelowna, seem to have no concerns about popping the downtown dysfunctional addicts into areas close to schools, and sports fields used by youth in Rutland.

This was an interesting read: https://canadiancentreforaddictions.org ... lassrooms/

[TJSmith]

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[normaM]

And she is the Chair yet doesn't know ( from another News outlet)
" Dr. Kyleen Myrah, who chairs the Journey Home board, talked about the building process the society has gone through and the data it’s collecting.

When Hodge asked for a tally of rehab and mental health facilities in Kelowna, no one had the answer.

“My frustration is, if indeed it’s your job to gather this data and you don’t have it, how are we going to get it?” Hodge asked. “You’d think this is a collaboration and a collection point for all that data. And I can’t get an answer today about how many actual rehab centres we have or how many mental health facilities we have?" "
wtsf?

[the truth]

just goes to show how useless the people in charge of this are

[one wheel]

Kelowna has never seen a homeless / out of control drug problem as is being experienced lately & Our Mayor & Council are looking for a solution ?
When these so called experts of Journey Home & other Care Givers speak some think ' they have it covered ' & want to think their expertise will solve things however it's not working out as we were led to believe ?
Last night Leon & Bernard Avenues had a 3rd. world look to them & it's not what our Visitor Centre is trying to sell to the tourists coming here ?
Thankfully Rutland gathered those 14,000 votes against ultra low barrier housing & sent a shock to City Council, JHS, Journey Home etc. & when Hodge asks questions he found 'those in charge' didn't have a clue about what should be necessary common knowledge for them ?
Is that because none of them ever expected to be questioned about their work or have to be accountable ?

[smaeh]

No excuse for Council only now starting to ask questions about "Support" for these Supportive Housing Projects. Dr. Alina Turner, Council's Consultant on Journey Home, made it clear that in Alberta (where this expert is from), the Builder of the project - in Kelowna's case BC HOUSING - should be required to arrange the "Supports" necessary from the Ministries that should be involved IN ADVANCE of building them. Mayor + Council have been fully aware of this all along and yet are allowing BC Housing to build 'em as fast as they can! I guess we'll worry about "Supports" later?

Guess we'll soon find out how well that works out. Looks like Journey Home has morphed from "Housing First" to "Housing Only"...what is this "plan" going to do to every neighbourhood in which they plant these buildings!?!