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Yeah perhaps I jumped the gun a bit. However I do have a few acquaintances that are and were members, and I have heard my fair share of stories. That’s why I also said that I wanted to hear what the IOC concluded. Shouldn’t be hard to disprove or collaborate the plaintiffs story. Will or could I wholeheartedly believe everything the RCMP claim to have transpired, not really.
So let’s wait and see.
Just because someone has a criminal history doesn’t automatically make them a criminal in this particular incident, but again makes ya wonder as well. Be interesting to see what the medical reports state.

So lets wait on the IOC...

So many that it's (criminal acts by police) an Olympic event ? (the agency that investigates police is the "IIO", Independent Investigations Office, the only agency that I'm aware of with the acronym, "IOC" is the International Olympic Committee.)

My worry is not just the dog holding him, he said he was being kicked... does this sound like normal procedure.. ?

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:My worry is not just the dog holding him, he said he was being kicked... does this sound like normal procedure.. ?

ya and a thief junkie would never lie and the cops are always the bad guys, what a world you people live in

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:My worry is not just the dog holding him, he said he was being kicked... does this sound like normal procedure.. ?

If the dog bites were serious and he was being kicked that's indicative of a struggle and not complying with instructions. My guess anyway.

Actually we were not there, we are all guessing..
To clear the wild speculation m here is mine ;

The person may not be telling the truth or whole story..
They were likely on the ground, dog clamped on to them, I doubt they would have got far with dog attached..
I don't doubt they were struggling..

I doubt there ther is a section in an RCMP manual that says, if dog does not subdue suspect quickly, start kicking them..

Maybe the suspect was fighting the dog. The dog has priority every time.

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:My worry is not just the dog holding him, he said he was being kicked... does this sound like normal procedure.. ?

Do you choose to take the word of a criminal in the act of committing another crime, and in possession of stolen property, than the police officer that may have had no knowledge of whom they were dealing with?

previously stolen and in the possession of a known bike thief “Bike Mike.”

was punching and kicking the plaintiff in his head and ribs at the same time.

How can a complainant that needed resuscitation, know without a doubt, that he was being "kicked"? How can he be sure that he wasn't being punched or physically restrained into submission to be handcuffed?

After all this......the basis of his claim is,
the lawsuit goes on to allege, claiming Verde’s Charter rights were breached when he was not informed of his reason for arrest.
This is just page #1 of his criminal history.



Link for details and page #2,
https://justice.gov.bc.ca/cso/criminal/ ... d=65235122

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:My worry is not just the dog holding him, he said he was being kicked... does this sound like normal procedure.. ?

“The dog mauled the plaintiff while he was on the ground,” the lawsuit alleges. “While the dog was mauling the plaintiff, Sahay was punching and kicking the plaintiff in his head and ribs at the same time.”

This is where I checked out. From what I've seen of Police K9s, they're raring to go - barking and lunging - while still on-leash. Once released, they're like a heat-seeking missile. The handler can call them off, but they don't always respond right away because they're 'in the zone', for lack of a better description. There's no way I can visualize a cop punching and kicking someone while the dog is attacking. The dog wouldn't be able to distinguish between the bad guy and the cop in this situation. I call BS. They're letting Verde hang himself with his own testimony, me thinks.

Also, Police K9s have been known to attack their handlers so, no, I don't believe that this cop would insert himself into the action like that.

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Thanks for posting his records Alan. I was just going to.

For those that aren't questioning the perp's actions consider this. He has been previously convicted of resisting arrest, along with his numerous drug and B & E charges.

So, do you think he was resisting arrest or just laying there while the dog chewed on him?

I have never stayed still after a dog bit me........have you guys ?

There are some posting on this thread who are accepting the contents of the Castanet article "Police dog nearly killed man" as truthful.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... og-lawsuit

I suggest to those believing the account is accurate, that it would seem that the source of this information is the "statement of facts" from the civil suit, and possibly some information directly from the plaintiff, plus brief details from the RCMP who I gather provided some information to the media at the time of the incident.

Perhaps someone with more medical knowledge than me can define the statement "...and had palpable pedal pulses" contained in the description of the plaintiff's injuries. It appears it is made to sound like "palpable pedal pulses" in some manner illustrated the degree of the plaintiff's injuries.

With my limited knowledge of medical terms, I would define "palpable pedal pulses" as "palpable" - perceptible, visible, noticeable and "pedal pulses" the rhythmical throbbing of arteries produced by the regular contractions of the heart especially at the wrist or neck. In layman's terms, aren't pedal pulses the raising of the skin above arteries as the heart pumps blood ? Like you can see someone's carotid artery pushing the skin up on the neck after someone has exerted themselves ?

So, isn't that normal ? ie, if you're dead there is no palpable pedal pulses.

What I'm saying is that is sounds like someone has written a statement of claim by metaphorically throwing a bunch of "stuff" against the wall hoping some will stick.

Should we as readers of this account be taking as gospel, some of the allegations that aren't impossible to believe, and ignoring the incredible, arriving at an account of actions worthy of criticizing the RCMP for ? With all due respect I say no.

Lots of holes in this story, time to put away the tar and feathers until this is settled in court.

I suspect this is an attempt to try this incident in the court of public opinion where only one side is heard and not under the scrutiny of a judge.

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:I have never stayed still after a dog bit me........have you guys ?

Actually that's probably the worst thing you can do.

As a young man I was "arrested" with the help of police dogs, many many times. No two police dogs are the same. Some have jaws like vices, some not so much. Some will release a suspect on command by the dog handler, others, need a little "encouragement", (pulling on an area just below their tail, they were all male dogs) they got the bad guy and they want their "fun".

Some were so well behaved that they would chase me and if I stopped and stood still, as the handler followed yelling "watch him", the dog wouldn't bite at all. (not all the often)

In those days most dog work was done "off leash".

The best way to avoid injury is to "feed" the dog one arm (preferable with thick protection on it) and if it involved a bit of a tussle to make sure the dog continued hold that one arm. The trick was to run and look behind and as the dog caught up to turn and provide the arm with the protection.

Oh and before you wonder too much, I was paid as a "quarry" for the Vancouver Police Dog Squad. (not all that well either)

I think we've all seen the guy in full protective padded gear getting attacked by a police dog in demonstrations. We just used old jackets, with a heavy leather arm protector on one arm. Sometimes with newspaper rolled around the arm first (depending on the dog).

So the police did not charge the guy when this happened. .
Any ideas why that occurred?

60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote:So the police did not charge the guy when this happened. .
Any ideas why that occurred?

The police don’t lay charges in BC - Crown Counsel does. It’s probably still under investigation given the fact that the IIO is running a parallel investigation.

Also, looks like Mr Fernando found himself in the news again:

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/313820/RCMP-release-details-about-charges-against-man-suing-two-officers#313820