46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby Glacier » Jan 20th, 2021, 10:34 am

Nothing wrong with 46 stories. We are short on space, so keep building them higher and higher until there's no more room up there.

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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby seewood » Jan 23rd, 2021, 2:25 pm

Ok, here you go Kelowna: https://brontoskylift.com/products/fire/

One model goes to 112M - 367 feet.

Good for about 36 stories.
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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby BC Landlord » Jan 23rd, 2021, 2:33 pm

seewood wrote:Ok, here you go Kelowna: https://brontoskylift.com/products/fire/

One model goes to 112M - 367 feet.

Good for about 36 stories.


Just curious, "operating heights", what does it refer to? How high the ladders could extend, or the ability to pump water to?
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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby seewood » Jan 23rd, 2021, 5:22 pm

Think it is the platform height. Height you can work from.

^^^ You were mentioning in previous posts about pressures to move water to those heights and you are right in that at 370 feet you'll have about 185 psi drop from gravity. To get the wet stuff on the red stuff you'll need another 100 psi. Around 300 psi at the pump discharge. Doable with a big engine, big pump and big water supply.

Hi rises use relay systems to move water inside the building.

I wonder what a machine like that would cost???
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Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby just_browsing » Jan 27th, 2021, 8:51 am

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... ire#323133

Well I'd love to dive into this a little more but it's quite clear that the fire inspector, Mr. Johnson, has deemed the Kelowna Fire Department in a good position to fight highrise fires.

I'll bow my head even though the question of "Does Kelowna have a fire department big enough to fight a fire in a highrise?" was not asked.

Of course these buildings are built to the most stringent fire codes, the real question is if the Kelowna Fire Department is in a position to supply the amount of firefighters required.

I guess the fire chief must be on vacation again...or maybe it's that he doesn't want to answer the question as he knows the answer is bleak and will likely cost him his job.

Can you imagine if he stated that every other city in the world uses 70-100+ firefighters but Kelowna is unique and we can do it with only 24 firefighters. I believe the outcome would be either A, there would be city managers from all over the world coming here to learn from us or B, people would flee the city based on the amount of tax increase to double the size of the fire department in order to serve these huge towers.

Again, I bow my head as there is no argument left for me after Paul Johnson made it clear the buildings are safe.
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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby gman313 » Jan 27th, 2021, 8:56 am

Actually, Kelowna has 24 volunteer firefighters. They have 148 permanent paid

https://www.kelowna.ca/city-services/sa ... department

So that is more than the 70-100 you suggest is needed???

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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby Bsuds » Jan 27th, 2021, 8:56 am

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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby LANDM » Jan 27th, 2021, 9:03 am

To answer the title question on this thread, the fire department has explained the concerns of the OP. Whether the fire chief is vertebrate or invertebrate, the department is answering the concerns brought up in this thread.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/323133/As-Kelowna-potentially-grows-beyond-40-storey-buildings-just-how-safe-are-they-in-a-fire-

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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby firsttimecaller » Jan 27th, 2021, 10:12 am

gman313 wrote:Actually, Kelowna has 24 volunteer firefighters. They have 148 permanent paid

https://www.kelowna.ca/city-services/sa ... department

So that is more than the 70-100 you suggest is needed???


"148 full time personnel". This includes administrative staff, dispatchers, etc. The 148 are not all firemen.
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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby featfan » Jan 27th, 2021, 2:17 pm

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/323215 ... y-highrise

Firefighters hoof it up 43 storeys to battle blaze in unfinished Burnaby highrise.

So how many of our amazing firefighters would be in top form to fight a fire after this?
I have seen a few videos of challenges put on for fighters and those folks are in shape.

So when you have a fire in a highrise is`nt the power and Elevator shut down?

High rise buildings also incorporate smoke control measures designed to remove smoke from that building."
I think you need power for the fans?
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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby CrystalCity » Jan 27th, 2021, 2:21 pm

The general power is, but there are emergency power circuits for cases such as a fire.

Oh course firefighters are in shape. They wouldn't be able to sell calendars otherwise! [icon_lol2.gif]
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Re: 46 stories? Where is our spineless fire chief?

Postby Queller » Jan 27th, 2021, 3:20 pm

To be clear, Insp. Paul Johnson was speaking to the fire safety features incorporated into a high-rise building, which are mandated by the BC building code, which generally follows NFPA guidelines for fire protection systems. When one of these buildings has a fire, it complicates the response for the Fire Dept., and requires significantly more firefighter resources than a typical low-rise building. Most Fire Dept.'s in BC (and North America), would send 42 plus career firefighters within the first 10 minutes to a fire in a high-rise. Kelowna can only send all FF"s on duty, which is usually around 23. That is why if the fire is not compartmentalized or extinguished quickly, the FD is in trouble, and will rapidly become overwhelmed. This is the reality, and one the City seems to have chosen to ignore. Risk management, I guess. A major fire in a high-rise has a relatively low risk of occurrence, just hope it doesn't happen when you're in the building!
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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby johnmartin » Jan 27th, 2021, 4:00 pm

firsttimecaller wrote:
gman313 wrote:Actually, Kelowna has 24 volunteer firefighters. They have 148 permanent paid

https://www.kelowna.ca/city-services/sa ... department

So that is more than the 70-100 you suggest is needed???


"148 full time personnel". This includes administrative staff, dispatchers, etc. The 148 are not all firemen.

Kelowna has roughly 100 suppression firefighters on 4 shifts. That's only 25 on shift at a time and some are off on Holidays, Lieu Days, and sickness. Not enough for a high rise fire!!
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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby Bsuds » Jan 27th, 2021, 4:11 pm

johnmartin wrote:Kelowna has roughly 100 suppression firefighters on 4 shifts. That's only 25 on shift at a time and some are off on Holidays, Lieu Days, and sickness. Not enough for a high rise fire!!


Are they not on call if needed? That is my assumption.
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Re: Kelowna Fire Department is READY

Postby johnmartin » Jan 27th, 2021, 4:21 pm

Bsuds wrote:
johnmartin wrote:Kelowna has roughly 100 suppression firefighters on 4 shifts. That's only 25 on shift at a time and some are off on Holidays, Lieu Days, and sickness. Not enough for a high rise fire!!


Are they not on call if needed? That is my assumption.

The volunteers are available and the department can do call backs but the time required to be on scene to support there fellow brothers and sisters is 690 seconds as required by NFPA 1710. This is for safety of the fire fighters and the public. Remember you are also draining the department for one event. Other emergencies go on in the city.
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