Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby one wheel » Feb 1st, 2021, 10:54 am

What is the REAL ACTUAL COST for this homeless gong show ?

What did it cost to convert the Tree Brewing building to supply 38 beds that aren't permanent ?

Caitlin McKenny makes it sound as though it will be "the total solution" with staff providing everything plus all these resources being available ?
How many homeless in Kelowna have turned their lives around in the past 4 years because of this help that's provided ?

Kelowna has built more shelter spaces than there are homeless & now the word has spread & we have probably become the number 1 choice of drop-in-center for Canada ?

There are 2 very good documentary's about Seattle & it's homeless problems that have failed & Kelowna is following that exact same path.

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby the truth » Feb 1st, 2021, 11:02 am

100% correct
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby Mrmarvingardens » Feb 1st, 2021, 12:57 pm

Writers are referring to the homes(shelters) as Kelowna..
The shelters and homes are financed by the provincial government.
The latest, the Tree building is a project of the provincial government.
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby kgcayenne » Feb 1st, 2021, 1:11 pm

Mrmarvingardens wrote:Writers are referring to the homes(shelters) as Kelowna..
The shelters and homes are financed by the provincial government.
The latest, the Tree building is a project of the provincial government.

So, in short, Kelowna has been deemed the armpit of BC by that arm of the provincial government?
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby the truth » Feb 1st, 2021, 1:11 pm

correct...............
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby Mrmarvingardens » Feb 1st, 2021, 1:24 pm

Thinking outside the box gives a much better perspective on the world.
The homeless are everywhere. 50 thousand in Los Angeles, thousands more in San Francisco.
It is difficult for some to realize and accept that Kelowna also has the same problem.
Myopia prevents us from doing so.
We like to sit in our bubble and peck at the outside world.
Kelowna has for years has ignored the problem, blaming someone else.
If you think drugs and homelessness are bad now, brace yourself, it is going to get worse, here and everywhere.

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby one wheel » Feb 2nd, 2021, 12:29 am

No matter which branch of our Governments provide money for the homeless, the shelters or security it all comes from taxes & lots of people don't think we are receiving good value ?

We hear about needing resources to enable these people so they can work ? Work at what ?

It's just delusional dreaming to think that someone who's brains are fried from drugs could or would hold any type of job that would support themselves ?

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby Scrobins94 » Feb 2nd, 2021, 2:00 am

Symbonite wrote:well BC housing should really jump on this property because it will soon be vacant at 2479 BC-97, Kelowna, BC V1X 4J2 AND no consultation needed.


Too big. People already throw a tantrum when 40ish supervised supportive beds are built.
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby Scrobins94 » Feb 2nd, 2021, 2:06 am

I would welcome this in my neighborhood in Rutland because I'm not a NIMBY. In fact, Freedom's Door or whatever it's called now on Rutland and McCurdy looks better than the old Knights building.

Some people wouldn't be satisfied with any solution to the homelessness or addictions crisis because they have no heart.
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby W105 » Feb 2nd, 2021, 6:04 am

^^^ those who think that enabling addicts by giving them shelter etc without any expectations of them trying to quit are the ones who have no heart..you're literally saying that you're ok to watch someone slowly kill themselves every single day..

it's kind of ironic that we're in the middle of a pandemic that has shut down the world because we want to "save" human lives, yet we're ok with helping those who want to put poison (drugs) in their bodies everyday..

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby normaM » Feb 2nd, 2021, 7:01 am

Just another bandaid solution to a complex problem. If wet housing actually worked we would be bombarded with the success stories ( crickets)
Kids age out of foster care system and they get a " good luck" sigh
I don’t care what they’re going to say. Let the storm rage on.

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby wanderer » Feb 2nd, 2021, 10:41 am

Scrobins94 wrote:I would welcome this in my neighborhood in Rutland because I'm not a NIMBY. In fact, Freedom's Door or whatever it's called now on Rutland and McCurdy looks better than the old Knights building.

Some people wouldn't be satisfied with any solution to the homelessness or addictions crisis because they have no heart.


McCurdy Place is NOT associated with Freedom's Door, their funding fell through.

McCurdy Place is a BC Housing project, a so called "supportive" housing project which is a misnomer because there are very few supports for substance abuse in Kelowna and the Okanagan. Funding for substance misuse is all going to the lowermainland, Fraser Valley, and Vancouver Island, none to the Okanagan. This will again be just a roof with minimal supports or rules. It is also not dry housing as neither Selina Robinson (Housing Minister at the time) or Basran ever said that it would be dry. They said McCurdy Place would house those who want to TRY to get away from substance abuse. Who knows by now that may also have changed we will see.

People with complex issues need drugs specific to their mental health issues and many people need help getting the right type of drug, the right dosage, and then continued maintenance. Self medicating with their buddies rather than being treated by a medical professional and having supportive guidance is another reason people have fallen through the cracks. This would be part of wrap around supports the Okanagan and much of BC doesn't have.

Rutland is not NIMBY it really has done it's share regards housing street level homeless people. There are 4 of these BC Housing places in Rutland as well as numerous smaller group homes. McCurdy is the last build in Rutland we hope. It is good to see more housing being built downtown for the homeless, which is where they want to be and where the few services are available.

The problem with supportive housing in the Okanagan is there are no "wrap around services" which is a MUST from the original Housing First model created in Eastern Canada. People have been crying out for help to get away from their addictions.

The few services offered at these places are; how to maintain your room/house, basic life skills, but no addiction recovery or rehab supports, no in house supports to get away from substance misuse lifestyles. I don't count a safe injection room as being a support. The only thing close to support for addiction problems in Kelowna is OATS which is administered downtown.

Of course the powers that be say everyone can take the bus to get anywhere. Actually there are people in Kelowna who are so poor they can't afford the bus they go begging to different organizations to get bus tickets. A person under the influence who has to travel by bus, make the right bus connections, get to the right downtown area at a specific time for an appointment is not using a wrap around service.

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby stuphoto » Feb 2nd, 2021, 6:43 pm

one wheel wrote:
We hear about needing resources to enable these people so they can work ? Work at what ?


Repainting high end bicycles, and stripping down Ford F series pickups.
Both jobs seem to pay quite well.

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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby Mrmarvingardens » Feb 4th, 2021, 1:27 pm

Not any mention on local media, unless I missed it.
A safe injection site is in the works for downtown.
In the general are of Leon/Lawrence Ellis area
Part of Interior Health's mandate to combat the drug problem.
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Re: Is this another Wet or Dry house?

Postby the truth » Feb 4th, 2021, 1:53 pm

so much for the useless $200,000 junkie bus they bought last year with tax payers money another fail by ih
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