Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby LANDM » Feb 12th, 2021, 9:33 am

Scrobins94 wrote:The OCP is a plan that always gets violated. I don't recall any of towers being sent back to the drawing board. They all seem to be approved seamlessly and effortlessly after a horse and pony show intended to give the peasants a sense that their voice has been heard. [icon_lol2.gif]

It doesn’t get "violated", it gets amended. The thought that there should be an inviolable plan for a community that is set in stone for decades is silly.
There are clear provisions for amendments and they either work or they don’t. The statement that changes are approved seamlessly is simply not true.

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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 12th, 2021, 5:49 pm

The OCP has become quite a joke as well a waste of time and money. The goal of seeing the community grow as the citizens envision it to has been lost to the vision outside developers have for our community that maximizes their individual profits.

There is no reason a plan can't change but the eventual goal should remain the same or very close to it or it is no longer a plan but rather a bunch of random decisions made with no clear final goal in mind.

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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby TylerM4 » Feb 13th, 2021, 10:50 am

cv23 wrote:The OCP has become quite a joke as well a waste of time and money. The goal of seeing the community grow as the citizens envision it to has been lost to the vision outside developers have for our community that maximizes their individual profits.

There is no reason a plan can't change but the eventual goal should remain the same or very close to it or it is no longer a plan but rather a bunch of random decisions made with no clear final goal in mind.


Can you give a few examples of this? What developments are being approved that don't fit within the context of the OCP?

I for example, have seen the opposite. CoK stood up to developers behind costco and the public backlash when they wouldn't let them build the new location near the airport. Because it was against the OCP which stated development in the area was to support the aviation industry. I also look at the Benvolin corridor - Developers have been drooling over the area for 20 years yet CoK has been standing firm and saying no. The most recent example being the backlash over the gas station that wasn't allowed.

I do see them looking at things like taller towers than the OCP envisioned...in areas where OCP had indicated high density. But have not seen examples of "this area was intended as low density residential, but CoK just approved a high density development, etc." So.. I have seen what I'd say was development pushing the boundaries, but not a lot of evidence of developments that are flat out contrary to OCP.

Surely with that strong wording, and claims of OCP "being a joke" you can share some good examples of approved developments that went against the OCP?

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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 13th, 2021, 12:14 pm

Approving height variances not by 10 or 20% but rather almost 400% is contrary and ignoring the OCP.
Changing the zoning from Ru1 (single family) to Ru7 (4plexes) is contrary to the OCP.
Changing designated park space to commercial/high density is contrary to the OCP.
Changing agricultural land to commercial (Costco) is contrary to the OCP
The list goes on and on and on.

Why waste time and money on an Official Community Plan when that plan is ignored in favor of private interest financial profits not the communities best interests and expressed desires for its future? Council continuously ignores the OCP so why not eliminate it and save the time and money wasted on an OCP that's not being followed and spend the funds on something else?
The plan may adjust slightly over time but the plan was drawn up to achieve a goal the community has set for itself. Without following a plan a goal is seldom, if ever reached. Like a current TV commercial says about achieving goals, "Hoping is not a good plan".
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby Boosted632 » Feb 13th, 2021, 12:22 pm

How long ago did they come up with the ocp? Things change a thirty year old ocp isnt going to work out very well now, changes were needed and have been made deal with it or move on.
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 13th, 2021, 12:34 pm

How long ago did they come up with the ocp?

The OCP is regularly updated with the current plan being officially adopted in 2018, just 3 years ago.
Have the communities goals changed that much in 3 short years?


COK wrote:Bylaw No.:10500
The purpose of the Official Community Plan (OCP) is to provide a statement of objectives and policies to guide planning and land use management within the boundaries of the City of Kelowna.

Again, without a long term plan the communities goals won't ever be achieved.
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby LANDM » Feb 13th, 2021, 5:03 pm

cv23 wrote:Approving height variances not by 10 or 20% but rather almost 400% is contrary and ignoring the OCP.
Changing the zoning from Ru1 (single family) to Ru7 (4plexes) is contrary to the OCP.
Changing designated park space to commercial/high density is contrary to the OCP.
Changing agricultural land to commercial (Costco) is contrary to the OCP
The list goes on and on and on.

Why waste time and money on an Official Community Plan when that plan is ignored in favor of private interest financial profits not the communities best interests and expressed desires for its future? Council continuously ignores the OCP so why not eliminate it and save the time and money wasted on an OCP that's not being followed and spend the funds on something else?
The plan may adjust slightly over time but the plan was drawn up to achieve a goal the community has set for itself. Without following a plan a goal is seldom, if ever reached. Like a current TV commercial says about achieving goals, "Hoping is not a good plan".

The Costco land was not agricultural in the OCP. That is current zoning. OCP is MRH as I recall.
Your list may or may not be accurate as it is highly general. RU1 to RU7 is a societal planning issue I feel increasing density near urban cores and it makes sense from a planning standpoint. How were all of those parcels designate in the OCP?
I think you may be confusing current zoning with future land use designation in the OCP.
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 13th, 2021, 5:27 pm

The Costco land was not agricultural in the OCP. That is current zoning. OCP is MRH as I recall. ....I think you may be confusing current zoning with future land use designation in the OCP.

Sometimes recollections can confuse people.
According the COK website the future land future land designation in the current OCP for both the future Costco property and the property that Bristol Gardens currently occupy are both designated as agricultural. Seeing as City Hall already ignored the OCP when approving the Bristol Gardens it is no surprise they would also do so in rezoning the future Costco property to commercial, not MRH.

Again why have an OCP that isn't even closely followed? Scrap it and put the money to another use that might actually benefit the community in some way because the OCP isn't
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby Grandan » Feb 13th, 2021, 5:33 pm

Mrmarvingardens wrote:Which reminds me of a saying that circulated around the city a while back.
"Council only knows what we are prepared to tell them"......city staff.
Why I agree that members of councils can't know everything, it is disturbing to hear them make decisions without asking important questions, or refer proposals back to staff for clarification.
The development community build illegal structures without penalty, request and receive variances to projects that border on the ridiculous with no pushback.
At present, we have terrible cheaply designed buildings, helped in part by the disbanding of the design committee that advised council and staff, of course after complaints from developers.
The mayor has private meetings with developers, again no pushback.
Many governments, at all levels are using the public preoccupation of Covid to make controversial decisions, that unfortunately go unnoticed.
Kelowna is especially bad in this area because elected official decisions more often are never reported.
(With 6 radio stations and 1 t.v. station, not one have a reporter at city hall)

I was struck by the comment of "cheaply designed buildings" we are obliged to build to a provincial building code administered by the city of Kelowna. When an architect and his client agree on a design that meets the code and is aesthetically to both, it should not be up to a design panel with their "opinions". This is overreach. If it were up to some people then all buildings would look the same. Remember when pink exteriors were all the rage?
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby LANDM » Feb 13th, 2021, 11:21 pm

cv23 wrote:
The Costco land was not agricultural in the OCP. That is current zoning. OCP is MRH as I recall. ....I think you may be confusing current zoning with future land use designation in the OCP.

Sometimes recollections can confuse people.
According the COK website the future land future land designation in the current OCP for both the future Costco property and the property that Bristol Gardens currently occupy are both designated as agricultural. Seeing as City Hall already ignored the OCP when approving the Bristol Gardens it is no surprise they would also do so in rezoning the future Costco property to commercial, not MRH.

Again why have an OCP that isn't even closely followed? Scrap it and put the money to another use that might actually benefit the community in some way because the OCP isn't


This is off the COK website for future land use and current zoning as of this instant.

You’re right, recollections can be wrong, as it is MRH and MRM. However, both of those are a far way off from agricultural as future land use.

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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 14th, 2021, 9:38 am

LANDM wrote:This is off the COK website for future land use and current zoning as of this instant.

LANDM wrote:I think you may be confusing current zoning with future land use designation in the OCP.


Agricultural or MRM (Multi Unit Restidential medium density) a large box retailer Commercial(COMM) business like Costco hardly fits either so once again the OCP is ignored by Council.
Scrap the OCP and spend the resources on something that benefits the community like actually completing some of the parks the City has already acquired land for. Or maybe a community aquatic center for City Park that would attract families and visitors thus displacing the current occupants? There are lots of things this community needs more than a plan our supposed leaders are ignoring just so they can assist an out of town developer in making a killing at the communities expense.
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby just_browsing » Feb 14th, 2021, 9:49 am

Sometimes recollections can confuse people.
According the COK website the future land future land designation in the current OCP for both the future Costco property and the property that Bristol Gardens currently occupy are both designated as agricultural. Seeing as City Hall already ignored the OCP when approving the Bristol Gardens it is no surprise they would also do so in rezoning the future Costco property to commercial, not MRH.

Again why have an OCP that isn't even closely followed? Scrap it and put the money to another use that might actually benefit the community in some way because the OCP isn't.

This is off the COK website for future land use and current zoning as of this instant.

You’re right, recollections can be wrong, as it is MRH and MRM. However, both of those are a far way off from agricultural as future land use.

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Actually, historically, the city has constantly changed the OCP in favor of development dollars. If you have been from around here longer than many of the current immigrants that have moved to this city, you would remember all of these.

Here is the first of many that come up with a simple google query of "kelowna ocp amendments" https://kelownapublishing.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=22741

I'm personally tired of the people making the decisions in this city. They treat the residents of this city as if they have no idea what is good for Kelowna.

Every developer of these larger projects comes from another city which has been a large city for many decades and are capable of supporting large developments and structures. These developers aren't used to small cities like Kelowna and therefor are forced to make changes. The only exception is the Mission Group, but to be quite honest, these are just small time local capitalists trying to establish themselves as big players and are capitalizing from the actual big players that are pushing city staff and council around like schoolyard bullies.

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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby LANDM » Feb 14th, 2021, 11:35 am

cv23 wrote:
LANDM wrote:This is off the COK website for future land use and current zoning as of this instant.

LANDM wrote:I think you may be confusing current zoning with future land use designation in the OCP.


Agricultural or MRM (Multi Unit Restidential medium density) a large box retailer Commercial(COMM) business like Costco hardly fits either so once again the OCP is ignored by Council.
Scrap the OCP and spend the resources on something that benefits the community like actually completing some of the parks the City has already acquired land for. Or maybe a community aquatic center for City Park that would attract families and visitors thus displacing the current occupants? There are lots of things this community needs more than a plan our supposed leaders are ignoring just so they can assist an out of town developer in making a killing at the communities expense.


The reality is that it was not agricultural in the OCP so the change from multi unit or medium density residential to commercial is a very different move than agricultural to commercial. The OCP wasn’t ignored, it was amended after consideration of the pros and cons. By people both hired and elected to consider these matters.
There are many times an amendment is refused.
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby cv23 » Feb 14th, 2021, 12:43 pm

The OCP wasn’t ignored, it was amended after consideration of the pros and cons.


Whether it be amended, ignored, changed, variances granted, etc, etc makes no difference. The Official Community Plan was not followed so the goals of the Official Community Plan will never be met at that location and in so many other locations within the community that they render the plan worthless.
The people, both hired and elected to consider these matters are the very same people who officially adopted the Official Community Plan. Were they not considering such matters when they officially adopted the OCP for this communities future less than a short 3 years ago or when they amended, ignored, change it shortly afterward? Either way there is no need for a plan that isn't followed within such a short time of being officially adopted or the community needs to examine the retention of the people changing theirs minds so shortly after officially adopting the plan for the communities future. No great loss in either or both as the goals expressed by the public/community stakeholders for this communities future are not being met by either.

ETA; Isn't the future Costco property owned by Bennetts?
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Re: Who makes development decisions in Kelowna

Postby Mrmarvingardens » Feb 14th, 2021, 1:56 pm

Future Costco property is owned by the Bennetts under the name Victor Projects.

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