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just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 9:30 am I suppose when one of these buildings collapses, we will call in the crew from Miami who are already trained.
It's funny you should mention that, because Surfside Florida called in crews from Israel and Mexico. Just sayin'.

Edit to add:
Canada sent in a plane from Calgary's Kenn Borek air to rescue an American from the South Pole.
Canada helped America?! *gasp*

Canadian companies were involved with capping oil wells that Saddam Hussein set ablaze in Iraq.

And I'm sure there are thousands more examples of cities/countries receiving help from other cities/countries.
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Even Steven wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:55 am
just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:47 am Good point! These teams are only located where they are needed. Kelowna doesn't need them.
Nope, they travel the country to be where they're needed.

Just like we always have to wait for a bomb disposal unit to show up because we don't have one locally nor do we need one.

Just like the police ERT team that is also rotates through out the province and we don't have one locally nor do we need one.
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Anyone here remember what happened when Kelowna's first leaning hi-rise, the Kiwanis Tower, was built?
The Kiwanis Tower does not lean, The Executive House is an entirely different story.
wrote:I wouldn't be surprised now, if a foundation shift beneath the crane slab, was found to be a contributing factor to this tragic collapse.
This tragic accident will likely be found to be the result of human error. The crane foundation didn't shift. The crane was being disassembled and obviously something went wrong during the process.
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Even Steven wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 9:38 am
just_browsing wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 9:30 am That's absolutely not how it works my friend.
Well, given the number of municipalities in the country with high rises, and only SIX (6) highly specialized rescue teams for the entire country - meaning that all these municipalities don't have one just like Kelowna, you are obviously proven wrong.
I tried to find a crane failure in Vancouver and failed ... they seem to have been lucky yet they have one of the six teams ... but if you look at it that makes sense since it's such a large metropolis with good quick transit times to most everywhere on the west coast ...
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What? (From the leader of the rescue team.)
You are dealing with an unsecured steel structural member of the crane that is teetering on some lightweight wood-truss construction and the operator cab that is teetering on a floor that is partially collapsed.”
I believe this was Stemmer's first high rise project.
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"...crane collapses occur globally on a weekly basis."

per engineer on CTV News last night, most crane incidents are weather related. It's extremely rare for a crane to collapse while being dismantled.
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Changed my mind and keeping my opinions to myself.
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crookedmember wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 12:10 pm "...crane collapses occur globally on a weekly basis."

per engineer on CTV News last night, most crane incidents are weather related. It's extremely rare for a crane to collapse while being dismantled.
exactly.

well says it all then ,does it not
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Trixster wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 6:50 am I saw the video vacancyrate is referring too and yes it looks as though the one worker isn't wearing any fall restraints. If his family plans on suing they wont get far based on the video.

i can see workers without proper safety gear pretty much on almost every site in this town. its a joke really
as for worksafe bc, this video is all they need to see to give zero payouts, in general they almost always side of the business, worksafe bc is a scam.
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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 9:50 am
Even Steven wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 9:38 am
Well, given the number of municipalities in the country with high rises, and only SIX (6) highly specialized rescue teams for the entire country - meaning that all these municipalities don't have one just like Kelowna, you are obviously proven wrong.
Thanks. Got a real kick out of that post. As you've clearly stated - only 6 cities in all of Canada have this service. Cities MUCH bigger than Kelowna. Someone clearly has no idea what they're talking about.


A whopping total of 1 crane collapse in the entirety of Kelowna's history:
Armchair experts - CoK leadership sucks, they don't know what they're doing, we need a specialized rescue team, etc.
Cok - OK we'll spend millions of dollars annually in case it happens again someday simply to avoid a couple of days delay bringing in a specialized team from out of city.
Armchair experts at tax season - CoK leadership sucks, they're spending money like it's going to expire and can't control costs.
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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 8:22 amAll I said is that crane collapses happen frequently and it's unlikely that investigations in Kelowna will uncover some great new understanding or finding or safety protocol(s).
I agree with you 110 percent about examining and making protocols much better. If I misunderstood an impression of a "tone" by you and it was misrepresented in your opinion - I apologize.
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bornhere63 wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 12:37 pm
Trixster wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 6:50 am I saw the video vacancyrate is referring too and yes it looks as though the one worker isn't wearing any fall restraints. If his family plans on suing they wont get far based on the video.
And neither workers are wearing helmets, indicating poor safety awareness. I wonder which worker took the video. Could it be the one who should have been monitoring the counterbalance weight that failed? Did it fail so he could tiktok or instagram or whatever he was doing with his phone while on the job doing dangerous work?

Of course families should sue for improper supervision of safety procedures. Where is the boss, who should be yelling "Safety First, Dumba :cuss: ?" But the workers' families should be down the food chain. The office worker who died calling for help was innocent. His family comes first. Then the office building owners and their insurers. And lost wages for the office businesses in that structure. And the residents who have been displaced and had any property damage, like smashed cars. Then The City, who has had to deploy manpower and will have to repair roads. And, of course, someone has to cover the costs of the rescue crew from Vancouver. The Mission Group had better be ready to dig deep.

As for GoFundMe for victims? The only human victim is the fifth man, recovered today. The rest participated in dangerous work without taking proper precautions. There is video.
For quite some time I've been of the belief that all cell phones of employees should be confiscated at the beginning of the work day, and given back at the end.

This tragedy simply strengthens my belief.

I've watched several videos detailing just how precise every movement has to be, during assembly and disassembly of a crane, for certain not a time for any distractions whatsoever.

Undoubtedly the investigation will reveal what the cause of this disaster was, though I have my suspicions. Time will tell if I was correct or not.

As to your question "where is the boss" I believe he was one of the badly injured ones, and he lost two sons, so my heartfelt sympathies go out to him, his family, and all the others lost or affected.
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Some crane evacuations lift
Downtown crane dismantling progresses, some evacuations lift

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Looking at the operator video, the first thing that came to mind was the Swiss Cheese Accident Model.

It never seems to be one specific issue that causes an accident, but the accumulation of what may seem insignificant actions that add up to a catastrophy.
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GenesisGT wrote: Jul 14th, 2021, 4:26 pm It never seems to be one specific issue that causes an accident, but the accumulation of what may seem insignificant actions that add up to a catastrophe.
...like someone who should have their eyes peeled looking for problems and should have had 100% of their focus on the job was instead POSTING TO INSTAGRAM and farming internet points?

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