Crane collapse downtown

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Trixster wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 7:19 am Worksafe and OHS won't comment on the video and pics that the operator was posting on Social Media sites prior to the accident. I think that this tragedy happened due to the operators distractive behaviour He should have been focusing on the task of dismantling the crane with professionalism and safety rather than posting vids and selfies to social media sites.
Airplane pilots, during takeoff or landing, have a policy that is called "Sterile Cockpit", where there is no idle conversation. Anything said out loud needs to be important to the task at hand, and the pilots are to focus on the controls.

So it is rather ironic that a recent article said crane opterators are "like Pilots"(https://canada.constructconnect.com/dcn ... -top-notch) when there is social media activity showing the opposite.

that being said, these videos show a "Cowboy Mentality" that got them killed.
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Even Steven wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 11:36 am
techrtr wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 9:55 amI feel so bad for those poor guys and their families. I wonder if the rush to get these buildings up is causing companies to compromise safety.
At the end of the day, it's up to the crane company to follow safety procedures, it's up to the most senior guy there to make sure safety is followed, and fix the issues as he sees them. There's nobody above them at that moment (literally). That's why I don't understand why people knock Mission Group - it was these 5 workers there, Mission Group doesn't have to supervise them.

But the most senior guy was probably the one who was filming the video for Instagram.
At the end of the day it's up to Mission Group, as prime contractor, to ensure all subcontractors are following safety procedures.
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Trixster wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:15 pm Did anyone else notice how fast John Friesen from the Mission Group distanced himself and his company from Stremmer Construction.
Yes, as he should have. People are trying to blame him and MG even knowing that it wasn’t his employees, crane, company, or control.
Why would he not distance himself appropriately? :135:
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LANDM wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:40 pm
Trixster wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:15 pm Did anyone else notice how fast John Friesen from the Mission Group distanced himself and his company from Stremmer Construction.
Yes, as he should have. People are trying to blame him and MG even knowing that it wasn’t his employees, crane, company, or control.
Why would he not distance himself appropriately? :135:
Because MG is Prime Contractor and they will have to prove their due diligence they did everything in their power to ensure site safety. They better hope they can.
If they didn't do everything that is reasonably practicable they will be receiving WorkSafeBC orders and possibly Penalties relating to the coordination of multi-employer worksites.
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Trixster wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:15 pm Did anyone else notice how fast John Friesen from the Mission Group distanced himself and his company from Stremmer Construction.
Did you notice the context under which he made those statements? Hint: Media was asking questions about the employees/people involved.
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JLives wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:32 pm
Even Steven wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 11:36 am

At the end of the day, it's up to the crane company to follow safety procedures, it's up to the most senior guy there to make sure safety is followed, and fix the issues as he sees them. There's nobody above them at that moment (literally). That's why I don't understand why people knock Mission Group - it was these 5 workers there, Mission Group doesn't have to supervise them.

But the most senior guy was probably the one who was filming the video for Instagram.
At the end of the day it's up to Mission Group, as prime contractor, to ensure all subcontractors are following safety procedures.

^^ yup :up: ..and anybody who works in construction knows this..and anybody that works in construction knows that safety gear is mandatory..hell, you can be sent home for the day for smoking a cigarette on a job site, my son said he just saw that happen 2 days ago with a guy who was repeatedly told that he cannot smoke on the job site and he needed to wait to smoke in the designated area and when he was on his break...my husband does lots of jobs that require crane trucks and if someone whips out their cell phone they shut everything down until the dummy puts it away...safety on ANY job site is and always will be # 1...nobody ever wants to see someone get hurt or like this horrific incident die on the job..
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Mrmarvingardens wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 11:24 am I wonder where some of those posting here, get their information.
First, there was one man, the operator was on the crane when it fell
Two Stemmer brothers and owners of the Leibherr crane were on the ground, along with a 21 year old who was on his first day of work.(He had worked for the Stemmer's in the past, several years ago)
The vertical, not the horizontal was collapsing at the top triangular building support, but stayed at the vertical.The boom had fallen
The lower support is where the workman was seen making his way back to safety in the building from the vertical, still standing after the collapse.
It is interesting that there is no training for crane workers or operators, as now advocated by the Operating Engineers, and as they have been doing for many years.
Also noted how quick CEO Mission Group Jonathon Freisen quickly distanced the Mission group: " the crane and operators were not part of his work force."
Working on the cheap, non union, untrained is a way of the world now.
Would proper training have prevented this terrible accident? Maybe. maybe not.Engineering analysis that will come might provide some answers.
This is completely false. There certainly is training requirements.
Occupational Health and Safety Regulation
14.34.1 Operator certification
On and after July 1, 2007, a mobile crane, tower crane or boom truck must be operated only
(a) by a person with a valid operator's certificate issued by a person acceptable to the Board, and
(b) in accordance with any conditions stipulated on the certificate.


The International Union of Operating Engineers is calling for mandatory training and regulations governing crane assembly and dismantling following Monday’s devastating tower crane accident in Kelowna.

This Union wants specifics relating to assembly and dismantling. Often specialized crews are used for these tasks, but not a requirement at this time.
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JLives wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:32 pmAt the end of the day it's up to Mission Group, as prime contractor, to ensure all subcontractors are following safety procedures.
Absolutely, though they can't control every single thing that the crane crew is doing. If they saw the shenanigans of this crew prior to this, they should have fired them and brought another company in.
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Oh no. I had assumed that the 5th victim was one of the workers on the crane. Not that that would be any better...

5th victim of disaster ID'd

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... wna#340093
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ferri wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 3:06 pm Oh no. I had assumed that the 5th victim was one of the workers on the crane. Not that that would be any better...

5th victim of disaster ID'd

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... wna#340093
Poor guy wouldnt even know what hit him although that might be better in a way
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soupy wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 1:12 pm
LANDM wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 12:40 pm

Yes, as he should have. People are trying to blame him and MG even knowing that it wasn’t his employees, crane, company, or control.
Why would he not distance himself appropriately? :135:
Because MG is Prime Contractor and they will have to prove their due diligence they did everything in their power to ensure site safety. They better hope they can.
If they didn't do everything that is reasonably practicable they will be receiving WorkSafeBC orders and possibly Penalties relating to the coordination of multi-employer worksites.
Of course.
However, this was a media event after a horrific accident in which he knew that many would point fingers at him, rather than a WorkSafeBC investigation or a court of law.
It was both correct and appropriate to explain the distinction of MG being separate from the crane contractor.
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Oh crap. I know his wife :(
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ferri wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 3:06 pm Oh no. I had assumed that the 5th victim was one of the workers on the crane. Not that that would be any better...

5th victim of disaster ID'd

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... wna#340093
Yeah, this one is really :cuss: because he didn’t sign up for a dangerous occupation on a crane and had no connection.
Just an engineering tech dude sitting at his desk doing engineering stuff, having nothing to do with what was going on outside.
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"Crane operators are like pilots"

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7eBPhgpNgE/
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Vacancyrate wrote: Jul 15th, 2021, 4:59 pm "Crane operators are like pilots"

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7eBPhgpNgE/
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