Crane collapse downtown

[two_shoes1mit]

This is the best post I've ever read on here. Also the most educated and rational.

All the rich spoiled kids, Capitalists, have zero, and I mean zero clue on how things operate on a municipal level.

So when they start building these highrises, did they happen to mention to any of the crews that the nearest rescue crew for this type of ongoing construction is a day away?

Did they mention to all the businesses underneath that there was extreme death hazards dangling right above them?

This particular tower has already cracked numerous existing buildings next door, shattered glass and other objects while they were putting in the piles. Not once did they mention this would happen during the construction phase. Even if they did mention it, they will just roll their eyes and ignore you because some feel this is necessary for the development of Kelowna.

So, all you experts that have been employed for a career with the city of Kelowna, me being one, tell me why they had to change technologies to put the new piles in the ground for the new tower. I can guarantee you it wasn't because they were concerned with the noise factor. The ground is different here. So different that they had to change technologies from the norm because the old technology is somehow damaging buildings. Off topic I know, but I have so many of these things I can share.

Unfortunately if you look on these forums and see much of the regular posters, you will quickly learn they are likely working for these rich spoiled capitalist children.

Have I ever mentioned that Kelowna only has 23 firefighters on duty in the entire city?! The NFPA, which is respected in absolutely everything to do with safety, recommends 100 trained firefighters to deal with a high-rise. To accomodate the smaller growing municipalities, they drew a line in the sand and said the absolute minimum is 43 within 600 seconds.

Why is it that this particular NFPA code is ignored and shut down by anyone pro towers? Did Kelowna find something that no one else in the world has ever figured out?

All you people should be ashamed for assuming we have to provide housing for everyone that wants to move here. I say get out...we don't want anymore people. We can't afford it and we can't guarantee your safety. Period.

This building is a curse and I hope no one buys into it and it becomes a memorial for these poor workers and families.

Excellent post.

I miss the 'like button.'

Its time to STOP building these high rises....................we don't want them and we don't want anymore.
If this tragedy isn't reason enough...............I don't know what it will take.

Kelowna traffic congestion is a nightmare...........never being addressed. We can't accomodate more people, and this city is not about housing the rich, nor about mega contractors buying their way in.

Lets take a breather, grieve the lost individuals and come up with another plan.

To quote a previous post: "ARE THEY DONE YET?"

[one wheel]

Are people aware that the Bertram St. condo which is evacuated has had no power since the crane fell ?
That place has about 60 units, I couldn't imagine the stench from the fridge's / freezers in this heat or what might have leaked out onto the floors & carpets ?
No one can get access to their vehicle either ? The residents are staying in hotels & haven't heard when they might be allowed to return ?

[Urban Cowboy]

@just_browsing - I hope you plan on selling your car then, since they are nothing but a curse in many cases as well.

You also come across as someone who can't accept growth, yet work for the people who are charged with managing it. That's rich.

I'm not really aware of any places that cap growth by locking the gates so to speak. Do you have some examples to provide?

[Terris]

Ditto...

I was first informed about the potential for high rise foundation problems here over 10 years ago by a cousin who works as an inspector for Stantec and friend who owned a local HVAC company.

At that time my friend was installing GPS monitors onto some downtown buildings; and regularly mentioned how much the buildings then, could be seen seasonally moving out of alignment on temporal data gathered over a year. I'm sure the city engineers are aware of this, and will have a hard time coming up with excuses should something even more calamitous occurs here.

The firefighting issue itself is an indication of how local council has chosen to play a long game dice with the developer$.



Probably of greatest future concern, is the issue of building displacement, as more and more of these concrete mountains are being built side by side on swamp land...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1007/BF02826755

In my opinion, it's just a matter of time before this crane collapse tragedy will pale in comparison to an entire building or 2 collapsing here, just as has recently happened in Florida.

It's already clear that, the surrounding soils around this site were already disturbed to the point of displacing and damaging surrounding buildings during construction. Can't wait to see what happens with the old, derelict Willow Inn site.

Keep rolling those bones city council...

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OGC.c8820b27 ... GXbtmZM%3d

[zookeeper]

My eyes keep being drawn to the upward angle of the second (from the ground) brace, the first one is horizontal.

[just popping in]

A very thoughtful tribute.

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... wna#340298

[ferri]

Crane evacuation remains

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/3 ... ing#340340

[normaM]

I'd not be buying close to a crane, nor would I sleep easy if I was in such a building
Until the official report is in probably best we keep our opinions to ourselves and fam/friends
Where the heck are all the people evac. staying? Not a hotel room to get :(

[Scrobins94]

Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.

[the truth]

Ditto...

I was first informed about the potential for high rise foundation problems here over 10 years ago by a cousin who works as an inspector for Stantec and friend who owned a local HVAC company.

At that time my friend was installing GPS monitors onto some downtown buildings; and regularly mentioned how much the buildings then, could be seen seasonally moving out of alignment on temporal data gathered over a year. I'm sure the city engineers are aware of this, and will have a hard time coming up with excuses should something even more calamitous occurs here.

The firefighting issue itself is an indication of how local council has chosen to play a long game dice with the developer$.



Probably of greatest future concern, is the issue of building displacement, as more and more of these concrete mountains are being built side by side on swamp land...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1007/BF02826755

In my opinion, it's just a matter of time before this crane collapse tragedy will pale in comparison to an entire building or 2 collapsing here, just as has recently happened in Florida.

It's already clear that, the surrounding soils around this site were already disturbed to the point of displacing and damaging surrounding buildings during construction. Can't wait to see what happens with the old, derelict Willow Inn site.

Keep rolling those bones city council...

https://www.bing.com/th/id/OGC.c8820b27 ... GXbtmZM%3d

excellent post and o so true, so certain people can cover their backs . what is going on in this town is building condo$ as fast as possible for big $$$$$$$ and who cares about safety .

[Boosted632]

Lol some of the posts on here are to much are you guys serious? So many highrise experts on here now we have entire buildings that might fall down and everythings being done unsafe just to funny, oh and my personal favorite we dont want these buildings or anymore people here

[Sonny Taylor]

[snip]
Probably of greatest future concern, is the issue of building displacement, as more and more of these concrete mountains are being built side by side on swamp land...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1007/BF02826755

In my opinion, it's just a matter of time before this crane collapse tragedy will pale in comparison to an entire building or 2 collapsing here, just as has recently happened in Florida.
[/snip]

I don't mean to ridicule you; I guess you have a point and I presume you have a deep understanding of the contents of the paper in your link.

But I suspect that most of us will have trouble with sentences like this:

On the basis of Delaunay triangulation skeleton, this study presents the partitioning model, which is similar to the Voronoi diagram. The property of equally separating space makes it a powerful tool to analyze the distri-
bution within polygon cluster. A displacement field is constructed in which the displacement propagation (including decay) can be realized. How to apply the Gestalt principle to the pattern recognition of building cluster is our next research.


For the computation of offset distance, we define a decay function related to the adjacency degree:r as f(:r) = c -- kx. It implies the higher adjacency degree leads to the shorter offset distance. This function is the simplest one as of the linear type. The function can also be of another form according to the decay speed along the change of adjacency degree. This function corresponds to the grade concept in the field.

So to lighten up the discussion, I'll (hopefully not at your expense) inject a bit of humour if I may:

The fictional Retro Encabulator device, which uses six hydrocoptic marzel vanes and an ambifacient lunar wane shaft to prevent unwanted side fumbling.

[normaM]

I did not know other buildings had been damaged before the collapse
No power to 60 units? There will be a mess to clean when they can finally go back :(
I did not expect Mission Group to say anything further

Have noticed several houses in my neighbourhood set up Hi Vis tributes.

[Rejigger]

Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.

I don't know why you characterize this as 'silence' and "hiding". No one would expect MG to 'carry on business as usual', and they've already given their statement. It doesn't matter what they are or aren't doing for Joe Q Public, it's what they're doing for the families of those affected that counts. And we don't know what that is because they're still going through the process of sorting that out (read: working through the legalities - which is their right, and is to be expected). Plus, the idea that we need to be kept informed of the current inner-workings of this private company is absurd.

I know all the Negative Nellies on this board are thinking that the people at Mission Group and Stemmer Construction are horrible, but I'll reserve judgement until the dust clears. Let's put a pin in it and circle back in a year or two, m'kay? =P

[alanjh595]

Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.

I don't know why you characterize this as 'silence' and "hiding". No one would expect MG to 'carry on business as usual', and they've already given their statement. It doesn't matter what they are or aren't doing for Joe Q Public, it's what they're doing for the families of those affected that counts. And we don't know what that is because they're still going through the process of sorting that out (read: working through the legalities - which is their right, and is to be expected). Plus, the idea that we need to be kept informed of the current inner-workings of this private company is absurd.

I know all the Negative Nellies on this board are thinking that the people at Mission Group and Stemmer Construction are horrible, but I'll reserve judgement until the dust clears. Let's put a pin in it and circle back in a year or two, m'kay? =P