Crane collapse downtown

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Rejigger wrote: Jul 19th, 2021, 10:08 am
Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 18th, 2021, 6:00 pm Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.
I don't know why you characterize this as 'silence' and "hiding". No one would expect MG to 'carry on business as usual', and they've already given their statement. It doesn't matter what they are or aren't doing for Joe Q Public, it's what they're doing for the families of those affected that counts. And we don't know what that is because they're still going through the process of sorting that out (read: working through the legalities - which is their right, and is to be expected). Plus, the idea that we need to be kept informed of the current inner-workings of this private company is absurd.

I know all the Negative Nellies on this board are thinking that the people at Mission Group and Stemmer Construction are horrible, but I'll reserve judgement until the dust clears. Let's put a pin in it and circle back in a year or two, m'kay? =P
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Rejigger wrote: Jul 19th, 2021, 10:08 am
Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 18th, 2021, 6:00 pm Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.
I don't know why you characterize this as 'silence' and "hiding". No one would expect MG to 'carry on business as usual', and they've already given their statement. It doesn't matter what they are or aren't doing for Joe Q Public, it's what they're doing for the families of those affected that counts. And we don't know what that is because they're still going through the process of sorting that out (read: working through the legalities - which is their right, and is to be expected). Plus, the idea that we need to be kept informed of the current inner-workings of this private company is absurd.

I know all the Negative Nellies on this board are thinking that the people at Mission Group and Stemmer Construction are horrible, but I'll reserve judgement until the dust clears. Let's put a pin in it and circle back in a year or two, m'kay? =P
Sounds good. =)

But Mission Group does have a reputation of passing the buck to everyone except for themselves. I expect them to show face and tell more what they're doing about the situation. They go on great PR ceremonies with the Mayor for ribbon cutting, concrete topping, etc but about this?!?!? Nada. Crickets.
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Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 18th, 2021, 6:00 pm Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.
I have no doubt that MG are reeling from this disaster.
MG is a victim of someone's monumentally poor decision making (at the end of the day a human is to blame) in that their project is delayed, marred and a bunch more work created. This is not take away from other victims or there families but to point out that MG is a victim here.

Whether you like development and developers or not, high rises or not you have to hand it to MG for continually creating homes that people want (as evidenced by all the sale, guess that signifies that some people Do ant to live in a Kelowna high rise).

MG is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. They has most likely received legal advice to do and say very little at this point.
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dreamon wrote: Jul 19th, 2021, 2:59 pm
Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 18th, 2021, 6:00 pm Mission Group's last social media post was 5 days ago.

So silent...

I wonder where Randy Shier, Jon Friesen, Luke Turri are hiding.
I have no doubt that MG are reeling from this disaster.
MG is a victim of someone's monumentally poor decision making (at the end of the day a human is to blame) in that their project is delayed, marred and a bunch more work created. This is not take away from other victims or there families but to point out that MG is a victim here.

Whether you like development and developers or not, high rises or not you have to hand it to MG for continually creating homes that people want (as evidenced by all the sale, guess that signifies that some people Do ant to live in a Kelowna high rise).

MG is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. They has most likely received legal advice to do and say very little at this point.
"MG is a victim of someone's monumentally poor decision making (at the end of the day a human is to blame) in that their project is delayed, marred and a bunch more work created."
Nice try - the fish stinks from the head down. MG is the overall site supervisor on this project and WorkSafe BC risk and liability are the number 1 priorities. MG clearly failed to understand their responsibilities re: Site Safety
I see a failure of management from the top down that allowed this preventable accident to happen. Whose is the SIte Manager?
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sweetglass wrote: Jul 19th, 2021, 7:04 pm"MG is a victim of someone's monumentally poor decision making (at the end of the day a human is to blame) in that their project is delayed, marred and a bunch more work created."
Nice try - the fish stinks from the head down. MG is the overall site supervisor on this project and WorkSafe BC risk and liability are the number 1 priorities. MG clearly failed to understand their responsibilities re: Site Safety
I see a failure of management from the top down that allowed this preventable accident to happen. Whose is the SIte Manager?
Building highrises on what is lake bottom - foolish in the longterm. The Cancer Clinic is an example of sinking and settling with those 8 tonne radiation pits causing sinkage during construction.
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^^^ especially since vast majority of what been said/posted is purely speculative.
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Talked to a young relative on the weekend who works in construction.

They said when something bad happens, the bosses are all like "safety is our #1 concern."

Then in a few weeks, they never hear about safety again. Just do the job. We've got deadlines.

There are a lot of cranes in Kelowna. If all of this speculation on the internet causes one boss to get his fat gluteus maximus in gear and prevents just one accident, it's worth it.

Of course, this is all just speculation.
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Ohhh Geeeeezzzzz.., you finally figured out how things actually work... :smt045
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We have "WorksafeBC" providing regular inspections, daily on site safety meetings every morning, a reporting system for all employees to provide information that MUST be recorded in a log book of ANY safety concerns, anonymous tip lines directly to WorksafeBC, 1st Aid/safety representatives on every job site.

If anyone, at any time, had any concern whatsoever, there are so many different avenues that they could have taken to report their concerns.

Why didn't anyone do this?

Because they didn't see any problem to report.

This was a freak accident.
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alanjh595 wrote: Jul 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm We have "WorksafeBC" providing regular inspections, daily on site safety meetings every morning, a reporting system for all employees to provide information that MUST be recorded in a log book of ANY safety concerns, anonymous tip lines directly to WorksafeBC, 1st Aid/safety representatives on every job site.

If anyone, at any time, had any concern whatsoever, there are so many different avenues that they could have taken to report their concerns.

Why didn't anyone do this?

Because they didn't see any problem to report.

This was a freak accident.
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alanjh595 wrote: Jul 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm
This was a freak accident.
Simply more unfounded speculation.

Freak accident implies a combination of factors that were highly unlikely to occur along with an aspect of "nobody could have seen that coming".

Perhaps that's what happened here. But it's far more likely this was a case of "Somebody did/didn't do something they should/shouldn't have done" AKA Human error.
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TylerM4 wrote: Jul 20th, 2021, 4:21 pm
alanjh595 wrote: Jul 20th, 2021, 12:04 pm
This was a freak accident.
Simply more unfounded speculation.

Freak accident implies a combination of factors that were highly unlikely to occur along with an aspect of "nobody could have seen that coming".

Perhaps that's what happened here. But it's far more likely this was a case of "Somebody did/didn't do something they should/shouldn't have done" AKA Human error.
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