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worksafe bc is very very slow
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A proper investigation will take a long time with all the various authorities, not just WorkSafe.
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the truth wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 6:42 pm worksafe bc is very very slow
I rather see slow with proper due diligence then fast and sloppy
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GordonH wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 7:05 pm
the truth wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 6:42 pm worksafe bc is very very slow
I rather see slow with proper due diligence then fast and sloppy
I agree. The investigation will take as long as it takes. There wont be any measure of emotion or feeling sorry or the truth being "slander". The fact of the matter is that a crane collapsed because of the human error of the crew. Not wind - not act of god or anything else. IMO I hope that Worksafe hammers down on inexperienced crews operating a tear down. Especially when civilians and millions of dollars of commercial and residential property is close by. Opening a company so you can bill yourself after buying the equipment proved to be a disaster. Opening a shell company for heavy equipment is 1 thing - but cranes is totally another.
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You can think whatever you want.
Bottom line is, most will let the investigators determine cause and make recommendations.
Its not the job of the armchair critics on here...
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I'm wondering if Mission Group has resumed construction.
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Scrobins94 wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 11:57 pm I'm wondering if Mission Group has resumed construction.
Obviously they will, as soon as possible. If they haven’t, it would be for good reason.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 7:42 pm
GordonH wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 7:05 pm

I rather see slow with proper due diligence then fast and sloppy
I agree. The investigation will take as long as it takes. There wont be any measure of emotion or feeling sorry or the truth being "slander". The fact of the matter is that a crane collapsed because of the human error of the crew. Not wind - not act of god or anything else. IMO I hope that Worksafe hammers down on inexperienced crews operating a tear down. Especially when civilians and millions of dollars of commercial and residential property is close by. Opening a company so you can bill yourself after buying the equipment proved to be a disaster. Opening a shell company for heavy equipment is 1 thing - but cranes is totally another.
This crew has both literally and figuratively been "hammered down" and I don’t see how this company will survive since it appears that half of the employees no longer exist and 2/3 of the ownership or senior (family) participants are no longer alive. Financially, it is worse.
So, there is nothing to hammer down with regards to this business.

As for other businesses in this sector they actually have a very low WorkSafeBC assessment rate of 1.11%......much lower than one may think, but based on the actual stats of reported events of the 167 firms in this sector in BC.
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that is what happens when a chunk of your employees comes from temp agencies , :200:
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Tankur wrote: Jul 23rd, 2021, 6:24 am Those that don’t know anything about crane dismantling commenting about not removing bolts replacing bolts etc. Couldn’t be me. I make sure my info is correct before typing away.
One of the best post on this topic.

Funny when people have zero knowledge start passing judgement.

I watched the video also and then spoke to someone in construction. I learn some from both. Still not qualified to judge the victims actions.
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the truth wrote: Jul 24th, 2021, 8:22 am that is what happens when a chunk of your employees comes from temp agencies , :200:
None of the crane employees were from temp agencies.
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Hey , its the posting without thinking or knowing bunch... they will post that tripe anyway....... :smt045
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60-YEARS-in-Ktown wrote: Jul 24th, 2021, 9:53 am Hey , its the posting without thinking or knowing bunch... they will post that tripe anyway....... :smt045
They do it in abundance too.
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Its too bad. Well established companies in this town that have been here a long time have essentially become glorified management and administration firms. Gone are the days of companies that actually have crews that served the industry with skilled tradesmen and apprentices. Now its top heavy management staff and constant adds for the employees needed. And they hire a slew of people that say they know what they are doing - but don't have the education or training. The company throws crap at the wall and sees what sticks. Or uses temp agencies.

The past 20 years there was an erosion of the trades simply to suit the needs of companies and industry. That's why there is a lack of skilled trades. Current companies should never have been able to tailor the trades and apprenticeship programs. Too many apprentices come out of the Carpentry program and know 1 thing. Concrete. And if someone knows something they sub contract just so they can make rate from 40 years ago. I just spoke to a friend of my sons who works on site c dam. He even admitted that they do the finishing etc in the course - but he doesn't have a clue about anything but concrete. This doesn't serve the industry at all.

I hope that the NDP looks at the trades programs and makes the training more focused on the workers skills and less on the myopic industries needs. And of course this is my opinion - which is valid - and is permitted.

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