Blame the Victim Excuse the Perp

[GordonH]

Not sure if those being dropped off would be able or willing to walk 160km... or know which direction to walk in (especially when whiteout condition come along).

If you want them dead, just say so. And if you'd be willing to pull the trigger each time, say that too.

Actually I want the justice system to do it job and stop giving out free passes to thieves.

[nucksRnum1]

If you want them dead, just say so. And if you'd be willing to pull the trigger each time, say that too.

Actually I want the justice system to do it job and stop giving out free passes to thieves.

I'm curious if the same sentiment of justice and accountability is applicable to Trump in the US for Canadian conservatives?

[dgb]

It's not the homeless that people are against. It's the criminal element that everyone has a problem with. If you break the law willingly the reason why doesn't matter. You need punished and a chance to be rehabilitated. Repeat offenders need lengthy sentences.

Well .. unfortunately, the criminal behaviour being discussed here is inextricably linked to homelessness, substance abuse, and mental illness. So, yeah, it has everything to do with homelessness.

Someone looking for a quick buck for their next fix isn't thinking about the long term consequences. Sure we can lock away the offender, maybe rehabilitate them, maybe not, but root of the problem remains: how do we bridge the gap between the have and the have-nots?

If you think crime in Kelowna is bad now, watch what happens as that gap continues to widen.

[GordonH]

Actually I want the justice system to do it job and stop giving out free passes to thieves.

I'm curious if the same sentiment of justice and accountability is applicable to Trump in the US for Canadian conservatives?

Well since neither trump or jt are currently in jail for any illegal actions they were involved in, I suspect they to are getting a free pass.

[Catsumi]

I'm curious if the same sentiment of justice and accountability is applicable to Trump in the US for Canadian conservatives?

Well since neither trump or jt are currently in jail for any illegal actions they were involved in, I suspect they to are getting a free pass.

Good one.

[nucksRnum1]

I'm curious if the same sentiment of justice and accountability is applicable to Trump in the US for Canadian conservatives?

Well since neither trump or jt are currently in jail for any illegal actions they were involved in, I suspect they to are getting a free pass.

I'm not gonna lie. That was a response of a willey individual. Cheers.

[jcdenton]

How bad will this have to get before it clicks into people that dealing with social issues and providing housing goes is far more effective than arresting people for stealing? Why are they stealing? Until we deal with that it will continue to get worse. Reducing income inequality, providing affordable housing, housing for the homeless and a rapid expansion of mental health and addiction services is how you solve this issue. Until then lock your doors.

Correct answer ^

[MAPearce]

JLives wrote: ↑Sep 25th, 2021, 8:37 am
How bad will this have to get before it clicks into people that dealing with social issues and providing housing goes is far more effective than arresting people for stealing? Why are they stealing

Talk to the creeps around the Enterprise rd. neighborhood and they'll tell you to eff of f..

in short , they don't want "rules" or structure.. That would take effort . They want things given to them without a string attached , otherwise they'll just take it .

[Boosted632]

How bad will this have to get before it clicks into people that dealing with social issues and providing housing goes is far more effective than arresting people for stealing? Why are they stealing? Until we deal with that it will continue to get worse. Reducing income inequality, providing affordable housing, housing for the homeless and a rapid expansion of mental health and addiction services is how you solve this issue. Until then lock your doors.

Correct answer ^

So how exactly do you provide housing to people who sell all the furniture to buy drugs and turn the place into a heroin den and trash it. If you try and make them follow rules they will simply leave and steal stuff to survive, so i say give them what they want more drugs lots of them eventually the problem will sort its self out

[jcdenton]

So how exactly do you provide housing to people who sell all the furniture to buy drugs and turn the place into a heroin den and trash it. If you try and make them follow rules they will simply leave and steal stuff to survive, so i say give them what they want more drugs lots of them eventually the problem will sort its self out

Giving out more drugs does not solve the problem, because it doesn't solve the reasons why people turn to drugs in the first place.
All you are proposing is placing a really poor bandaid over a gaping wound. It doesn't solve the root problem.
When you create social infrastructure, fix wealth inequality, create social safety nets, apply community policing, and decriminalize drugs, it slowly reduces drug use, crime and homelessness. Its not a quick fix though, its a solution for future generations. People who are currently already in the depths of despair will have far greater difficulty pulling themselves out than their future peers, but only if you start with a solution today.

[my5cents]

As the topic states "Blame the Victim Excuse the Perp" exactly what this topic has turned into.

Consider this, there isn't one problem here. Thus there isn't one solution. Some, with assistance, training, opportunities would flourish. Others, a complete waste of time.

Isn't there a saying : "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime" Well that is the case for some, but there's a segment that would sell the fishing tackle for drugs and continue to steal enough food to maintain life while stealing more for more drugs.

[69cutlass]

As I've said. Incarcerate and provide addiction and mental health counseling for those that steal and break the law. Now we help those that truly need and deserve it

[MAPearce]

As I've said. Incarcerate and provide addiction and mental health counseling for those that steal and break the law. Now we help those that truly need and deserve it

I think it starts with "instutionalization"

Give the people who want a chance at a normal life the shelter , support and skills needed .. If they succeed , they can go , with all they help they deserve ..

If they don't , they stay and make license plates instead of a mess of the neighbourhood

[gardengirl]

As I've said. Incarcerate and provide addiction and mental health counseling for those that steal and break the law. Now we help those that truly need and deserve it

I think it starts with "instutionalization"

Give the people who want a chance at a normal life the shelter , support and skills needed .. If they succeed , they can go , with all they help they deserve ..

If they don't , they stay and make license plates instead of a mess of the neighbourhood

YES! This PC kid gloves experiment has gone on long enough. It is not working.

[MAPearce]

I think it starts with "instutionalization"

Give the people who want a chance at a normal life the shelter , support and skills needed .. If they succeed , they can go , with all they help they deserve ..

If they don't , they stay and make license plates instead of a mess of the neighbourhood

YES! This PC kid gloves experiment has gone on long enough. It is not working.

Yeah . Not to admonish the poster I quoted but I think the word "incarcerate" is a bit too strong IMO .

Good people who need help are getting labelled instead of help . Bad people are getting "help" instead of labelled ..

My5 said the same thing and I get where he/she is going ..

Point is that there is a line but how do we draw them ?