Kelowna Crime Rate Highest in Canada

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alanjh595 wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 7:51 am Our penal system is based upon rehabilitation, not incarceration.
Go serve a provincial sentence in KRCC and come back here and say that again.
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alanjh595 wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 7:51 am Our penal system is based upon rehabilitation, not incarceration.

The same comparison to the "stick or carrot" method.

It costs much more to pay for incarceration than it does to rehabilitate.
Canadian penal systems are "based" on monetary penalties and removal of the liberty of movement in society.
There are no other punitive actions, no stocks in the town square, no public floggings or stonings.
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Lynn K wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 5:38 pm
alanjh595 wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 7:51 am Our penal system is based upon rehabilitation, not incarceration.
Go serve a provincial sentence in KRCC and come back here and say that again.
That is where the worst of the worst end up. They are a danger to society and is the stick method is used for those that chose not to accept the carrot.
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Lynn K wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 5:44 pm
alanjh595 wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 7:51 am Our penal system is based upon rehabilitation, not incarceration.

The same comparison to the "stick or carrot" method.

It costs much more to pay for incarceration than it does to rehabilitate.
Canadian penal systems are "based" on monetary penalties and removal of the liberty of movement in society.
There are no other punitive actions, no stocks in the town square, no public floggings or stonings.
Criminal law theory is characterized by a longstanding debate between two broad positions: retributivism, which posits criminal law is justified by the moral demand to punish culpable offenders in accord with moral desert, and mixed instrumental-moral theorism, which posits that criminal punishment requires both an instrumental purpose and a prerequisite of offender culpability. Without attempting to mediate this ongoing debate, this article addresses the practical implications for criminal justice institutions and procedure of each of these two dominant, competing accounts of criminal law and punishment. I argue that the mixed theoretical account is so deeply embedded in Anglo-American criminal justice practice that a system oriented toward retributivism would require substantial institutional reform. Piecemeal imposition of some retributivist commitments would conflict with the existing institutional expectation of mixed theoretical commitments in a way that would risk thwarting the goal of having punishment accord with moral desert: a goal which both sides of the debate share.
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alanjh595 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 5:01 am
Lynn K wrote: Feb 8th, 2023, 5:38 pm

Go serve a provincial sentence in KRCC and come back here and say that again.
That is where the worst of the worst end up. They are a danger to society and is the stick method is used for those that chose not to accept the carrot.
Thanks for the copy paste (on your next comment), but isn't necessary.
As to this comment about the worst of the worst ending up at KRCC, that can't be more incorrect.
KRCC is a provincial facility, as much as it's detention for some convicted of serious offenses, the "worst of the worst" usually have the longest sentences and are housed in federal facilities.
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Lynn K wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 8:15 am
alanjh595 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 5:01 am

That is where the worst of the worst end up. They are a danger to society and is the stick method is used for those that chose not to accept the carrot.
Thanks for the copy paste (on your next comment), but isn't necessary.
As to this comment about the worst of the worst ending up at KRCC, that can't be more incorrect.
KRCC is a provincial facility, as much as it's detention for some convicted of serious offenses, the "worst of the worst" usually have the longest sentences and are housed in federal facilities.

Yes, it is also used as a remand center, just like the Kelowna jail.
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Thats a lot of white-collar crime....
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White collar criminals don't end up in Kamloops and/or Kelowna jails.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:07 am Thats a lot of white-collar crime....
Oh no, white crime don't go to the big house. They stay home, continue flourishing in our economy.

Reminds me of the Jeffersons, "Movin on up".
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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:36 am
nucksRnum1 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:07 am Thats a lot of white-collar crime....
Oh no, white crime don't go to the big house. They stay home, continue flourishing in our economy.

Reminds me of the Jeffersons, "Movin on up".
They get ankel bracelets.
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alanjh595 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:25 am White collar criminals don't end up in Kamloops and/or Kelowna jails.
They do go to KRCC if serving a sentence under 2 years.
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alanjh595 wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:46 am
Babba_not_Gump wrote: Feb 9th, 2023, 9:36 am
Oh no, white crime don't go to the big house. They stay home, continue flourishing in our economy.

Reminds me of the Jeffersons, "Movin on up".
They get ankel bracelets.
"White collar crime" is characterized as non violent offenses, often deceiving others for money or fraudulently deceiving others to gain financial advantage.
"White collar" criminals often receive lengthy terms.
"Ankle" bracelets (house arrest) are often used when a conditional sentence is issued when society and the offender won't benefit from the offender's incarceration.
"White collar" criminals do not, in fact, only receive such conditional sentences. A bit of research will demonstrate that many such offenders have and are serving lengthy sentences.
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guess people cannot even go to the mall anymore without almost being killed , ,and once again rcmp catch the guy and useless judges lets him go,one hour later :cuss: :swear: https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/4 ... in-Kelowna
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