New Kelowna car idling bylaw

[BC Landlord]

Well, let's see .. in BC we source most of our electricity from hydroelectricity, which is a renewable resource .. vs burning fossil fuels to warm up oil that is already spec'd for our climate. M'kay.

You see, .. that's another misconception very common among anti-oil crusaders. The fact is, our grid is not isolated. It's interconnected with other jurisdictions into a larger grid. So, you don't really know where your electricity is coming from. It could be from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Washington, Alaska, .. or local.

[dgb]

Well, let's see .. in BC we source most of our electricity from hydroelectricity, which is a renewable resource .. vs burning fossil fuels to warm up oil that is already spec'd for our climate. M'kay.

You see, .. that's another misconception very common among anti-oil crusaders. The fact is, our grid is not isolated. It's interconnected with other jurisdictions into a larger grid. So, you don't really know where your electricity is coming from. It could be from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Washington, Alaska, .. or local.

"Most electricity in B.C. is generated from a clean and renewable source. Most comes from river water, but a lot also comes from forest biomass, wind and landfill gas. Geothermal heat—or energy that comes from heat deep under the ground—is also being explored in B.C."

Source: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/indu ... fill%20gas.

[77TA]

And the block heater runs, ... on what? And what if you don't have an easy access to power, like many motorists don't? Perhaps, get a gas genset to power the heater?

Well, let's see .. in BC we source most of our electricity from hydroelectricity, which is a renewable resource .. vs burning fossil fuels to warm up oil that is already spec'd for our climate. M'kay.

It's funny how the electricity debate always ends up at "we use mostly hydroelectric power in BC". So what do you suggest for the rest of Canada, North America and the world?

[BC Landlord]

You see, .. that's another misconception very common among anti-oil crusaders. The fact is, our grid is not isolated. It's interconnected with other jurisdictions into a larger grid. So, you don't really know where your electricity is coming from. It could be from Alberta, Saskatchewan, Washington, Alaska, .. or local.

"Most electricity in B.C. is generated from a clean and renewable source. Most comes from river water, but a lot also comes from forest biomass, wind and landfill gas. Geothermal heat—or energy that comes from heat deep under the ground—is also being explored in B.C."

Source: https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/indu ... fill%20gas.

Ever heard of the North American power transmission grid? Google it up!

[dgb]

Well, let's see .. in BC we source most of our electricity from hydroelectricity, which is a renewable resource .. vs burning fossil fuels to warm up oil that is already spec'd for our climate. M'kay.

It's funny how the electricity debate always ends up at "we use mostly hydroelectric power in BC". So what do you suggest for the rest of Canada, North America and the world?

Um. I dunno, that we lead by example???

[ferri]

New Kelowna car idling bylaw

[BC Landlord]

It's funny how the electricity debate always ends up at "we use mostly hydroelectric power in BC". So what do you suggest for the rest of Canada, North America and the world?

That's another thing, ... I thought CO2 emissions is a global phenomenon, and yet it somehow stops at the BC border.

[BC Landlord]

Um. I dunno, that we lead by example???

Well, .. nobody is stopping you. I have no issues with other people choosing not to idle their vehicles, in cold or hot weather. However, I reserve my choice for myself.

[dgb]

Um. I dunno, that we lead by example???

Well, .. nobody is stopping you. I have no issues with other people choosing not to idle their vehicles, in cold or hot weather. However, I reserve my choice for myself.

Which is fine, until your choices negatively impact others. The bylaw was written for a reason. Cheers.

[voice of reason]

yes and the oil is sitting thick in the bottom of the oil pan and needs to heat up to reach proper viscosity

A proper spec oil, preferably synthetic will do just fine.

obviously not. ever try to put oil in your motor when its super cold out? it is like honey . your internal parts need a coating of lubricant to avoid metal on metal wear . i would like my oil to be flowing before i try to hit the highway . when they fire up equipment in the bush they hit the oil pan with a tiger torch to warm it up . people dont idle their car for no reason

[voice of reason]

next time it hits -15-20c go to the gas station and buy one of those liters of oil that sit outside by the door and try to put it in your engine. it doesnt even come out let alone pour . that is what is in your oil pan

[spooker]

"In fact, if Canadian motorists avoided idling for just three minutes every day of the year, CO2 emissions could be reduced by 1.4 million tonnes annually. This would be equal to saving 630 million litres of fuel and equivalent to taking 320,000 cars off of the road for the entire year. Eliminating unnecessary idling is one easy action that Canadians can take to reduce their GHG emissions that are contributing to climate change."

Has it ever occurred to you that to a large majority of Canadians, reducing CO2 emissions does not sit very high on their priority list?

Yes, we are very aware of the attitudes ... and those of us who do see value in good air quality and the probability that CO2 is affecting the global energy balance in our atmosphere would like to see more people do the small things that when added together can make a bigger impact ...

This bylaw isn't just about a single issue like so many seem to be coming back to, it's not just CO2, it's not just particulate pollution, it's not just about resource usage ... it's all of it

[lesliepaul]

*removed*

[BC Landlord]

Which is fine, until your choices negatively impact others. The bylaw was written for a reason. Cheers.

The claim that it affects anyone other than that vehicle's owner (financially) is moot. There are so many bylaws which are stupid and practically unenforceable, the "no idling" being one of them. So no, .. I wouldn't feel intimidated by someone condemning it. Cheers!

[dgb]

"After January 21, 2023. When a physical address is provided, residents will receive one warning. Second and subsequent complaints for the same license plate or address will be forwarded to Bylaw enforcement officers. Upon investigation of the complaint, fines of $150 for second and subsequent offences may be issued."

"If you see vehicles idling excessively, you can Report an Environmental concern- Air Quality. Please provide the physical address where excess of idling is taking place and/or the license plate."

https://www.kelowna.ca/city-services/on ... s-requests > Report an environmental concern