Four dead in a bus crash on Connector Hwy 97

[Saviour]

Okay I read back and saw the other news story now I wonder who is hiring the drivers.

In regards to BlueStar (the contractor in your story), it would be BlueStar. As for Ebus, they're a division of a larger parent company that has other divisions, so they would do the hiring or possibly transferring of employees from other divisions for the operation of their own vehicles, not those of sub-contractors.

[nucksRnum1]

Subcontracting is a scourge on society. We may as well have stayed unionized.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Subcontracting is a scourge on society. We may as well have stayed unionized.

You don't recall the Dept. Of Holidays?

I thought I mentioned that to you the other days.

[GordonH]

You don't recall the Dept. Of Holidays?

Yes, they had their issues. What the provincial highways have now impo is way worse then province highway maintenance.

[thesportinglife]

Those are absolutes and not simply "raising concerns". How a driver interacts with the passengers and how they drive are two very different aspects of the job.

Bull ! How a driver interacts with the passengers tarnishes the brand or makes it shine !

The "brush" was broad enough to kill four human beings !

[GordonH]

If the police investigation finds the Driver responsible for this tragedy, hopefully the courts will charge the Driver full sentence according to the law.

Nothing will bring back any of Families loved ones, most likely the Families will probably be suing Ebus line.

If the investigation finds poor highway maintenance procedures was the cause of this tragedy, the Families should then go after highway Maintenance Contractor.

[Bigbacardi]

High mountain road, winter conditions,
I think there is no basis for any sort of lawsuit.
Dangerous Rd. Period.
Many deaths have occurred on the coq
Many more will follow.
Sometimes thing just go wrong.

[mullyman]

Okay I read back and saw the other news story now I wonder who is hiring the drivers.

According to a colleage of mine, who drove for greyhound for over 20 yrs, there is little,or no winter driving training provided to operators any more...Another issue is scheduling. I was told that drivers have been let go for not staying on schedule,so there is a pressure to drive faster that conditions allow.Apparently the scheduler for e bus formerly worked @ greyhound,where there was conflict with this same issue.

[GordonH]

High mountain road, winter conditions,
I think there is no basis for any sort of lawsuit.
Dangerous Rd. Period.
Many deaths have occurred on the coq
Many more will follow.
Sometimes thing just go wrong.

Over the years this suing over everything has been creeping over border more & more. US has gotten to the point were people will probably sue over a broken fingernail.

As I mentioned nothing the Families do now will bring their loved ones back, go through the grieving process.

[my5cents]

Over the years this suing over everything has been creeping over border more & more. US has gotten to the point were people will probably sue over a broken fingernail.

As I mentioned nothing the Families do now will bring their loved ones back, go through the grieving process.

Haven't you been paying attention ? No Fault. Maybe a few can sue, not most, barred by law.

[GordonH]

Over the years this suing over everything has been creeping over border more & more. US has gotten to the point were people will probably sue over a broken fingernail.

As I mentioned nothing the Families do now will bring their loved ones back, go through the grieving process.

Haven't you been paying attention ? No Fault. Maybe a few can sue, not most, barred by law.

Not suing via icbc.

Not being able to take someone to court over a death is in my opinion BS.

btw reread my posts this can only happen if either driver or maintenance company didn’t do their jobs.
Examples: speed due the conditions... not enough sanding done (salt tends to be useless under certain temperature).

[my5cents]

Haven't you been paying attention ? No Fault. Maybe a few can sue, not most, barred by law.

Not suing via icbc.

Not being able to take someone to court over a death is in my opinion BS.

btw reread my posts this can only happen if either driver or maintenance company didn’t do their jobs.
Examples: speed due the conditions... not enough sanding done (salt tends to be useless under certain temperature).

I said "most are barred". The deaths and seriously injured, yes.

"Not suing via ICBC", so you think I can sue another driver for which no fault applies, by somehow excluding ICBC from the suit ? One actually doesn't sue ICBC, they sue the "negligent driver", who hands the writ to their insurance company, ICBC, who handle it.

"...didn't do their job". One can't sue for the sake of it. Every suit must involve negligence, that's the basis of suits, negligence.

[GordonH]

Not suing via icbc.

Not being able to take someone to court over a death is in my opinion BS.

btw reread my posts this can only happen if either driver or maintenance company didn’t do their jobs.
Examples: speed due the conditions... not enough sanding done (salt tends to be useless under certain temperature).

I said "most are barred". The deaths and seriously injured, yes.

"Not suing via ICBC", so you think I can sue another driver for which no fault applies, by somehow excluding ICBC from the suit ? One actually doesn't sue ICBC, they sue the "negligent driver", who hands the writ to their insurance company, ICBC, who handle it.

"...didn't do their job". One can't sue for the sake of it. Every suit must involve negligence, that's the basis of suits, negligence.

So are you saying in BC Civil court-case can’t happen involving death of a passenger. Negligence will be found by the police investigation into this bus crash, right or I’m wrong.

[my5cents]

So are you saying in BC Civil court-case can’t happen involving death of a passenger. Negligence will be found by the police investigation into this bus crash, right or I’m wrong.

I said just the opposite (sorry I re-read and it wasn't that clear). Suits can only take place for deaths and serious catastrophic injury. I'm not sure of the wording ICBC legislation uses.

Police don't investigate negligence they investigate criminality. Negligence is civil, not a police function. Frequently some pieces of their investigation help in the civil investigation, but they don't find fault. Also just because one driver gets a ticket or is charged, doesn't make them necessarily liable for the collision. The best example is the drunk stopped at a red light in slippery conditions getting rear ended by a sober driver sliding into him. Drunk charged with impaired, liable driver walks.

For example, when the police block a roadway for an extended time, taking photo's, measurements, "conducting an investigation", if an insurance company is involved (now, I'm sure must less so), they will hire the heavy hitters, engineers, who use the raw data from the police, the measurements, photo's etc and do their own investigation and make their own conclusions for the insurance company.

[cjszalka]

When weather conditions become so dangerous that maintenance to keep a highway driveable that highway needs to be shut down in my opinion. Such a heartbreaking time for everyone.