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dirtybiker wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 10:25 am
spooker wrote: Jan 1st, 2023, 4:03 pm Which areas are the ones you have issues with? Most of the arterials that I can think of don't have much of a canopy ...
Majority of people wouldn't, it doesn't affect them.
Look up a bit. Notice all those trees with stripped bark, no leaves, broken branches.
Give a hint; causation is exhaust stacks, trailers and loads smashing their way through.
Look at the refuse trucks, all scratched to shytte.

Legal, before permit height and width is 13'6"x8'6" Permits allow more.
If trees are not pruned back from roadways edge to 15' they are an
impediment to commercial traffic.

Harvey, Northbound by Ellis, even in the centre lane.
Almost all of Gordon be it median trees or to the right.
KlO right lane Westbound by Mission Creek Golf right to Pandosy.
Nearly any right turn lane off of Harvey.
Cooper right lane past the Mall, Springfield to Harvey.
Stewart Rd. That will be a gong show once the South Perimeter opens.
Anything of size has to straddle the line to miss the trees.
Benvoulin, Cooper to Byrne, a classic case there.

*bleep* poor planning.
Not everyone drives a mini, or rides a bike.

Then there is 97 out of Winfield, from Lodge to Oceola. Look at how the trees have been hit there !
That doesn't even cover any of the less travelled routes.
I can go on....and on.
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Thanks ... my height is just over 12'6" when loaded and have the odd issue in the neighbourhoods when I'm heading home or outward ... I also notice the trees draped over the bike lane down Gordon a lot during different times of the year, but for that I usually just have a pair of pruners in my pack
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marvin gardens wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 11:58 am The city contracts to Fortis, who only prunes what affects power lines, hence the mess.
Totally false. COK does not contract any tree pruning to Fortis.
Fortis contracts pruning of trees which are affecting and may affect power lines to Asplundh on civic and private properties.

wrote: I also notice the trees draped over the bike lane down Gordon a lot during different times of the year, but for that I usually just have a pair of pruners in my pack.
Pruning trees on private or civic property without permission is illegal.
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marvin gardens wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 11:58 am Tree pruning, or lack of it is along with other things, an ongoing problem for Kelowna.
The city contracts to Fortis, who only prunes what affects power lines, hence the mess.
The city plants trees but then doesen"t bother to maintain them, a big problem throughout the city.
City of Vancouver with thousands of trees, spends more thousands of maintaining and pruning.
City lawns, cut too short, which require more irrigation, sprinklers running in the heat of the day;
Road allowances over run with weeds, cars, rv's yards filled with construction machinery, ie fork lifts,
Too many people employed at city hall that don't know what they are doing.BUT, they are there because they know somebody, who knows somebody. :-X
It would be beneficial to the mental well-being of citizens to have notice and the option to use professional tree pruning. The power companies want as little fuss as possible but trample on people’s rights. Certainly, the time required to find a company to prune a tree is inconsequential to the power-lines.

Despite some trees having enough separation from power-lines, the trees are still attacked so they don’t need revisiting for 10 or more years, but are ugly hacked. This is unacceptable, especially for anyone looking forward to selling a home.

This is bound to be a larger problem, as it has been suggested that we need a lot more tree canopy to reduce the need of air conditioning.
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This past spring along Springfield there was a company cutting back the trees, I didn’t notice the name on their truck. I don’t think it was fortis.
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GordonH wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 12:59 pm This past spring along Springfield there was a company cutting back the trees, I didn’t notice the name on their truck. I don’t think it was fortis.
Fortis sub-contracts out tree pruning. That way, they don't have to pay for thee capital costs of the equipment that will be sitting unused for 8 out of 12 months/year and have to pay the staff.
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GordonH wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 12:59 pm This past spring along Springfield there was a company cutting back the trees, I didn’t notice the name on their truck. I don’t think it was fortis.
Asplundh did all along Springfield.
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dirtybiker wrote: Jan 2nd, 2023, 10:25 am
spooker wrote: Jan 1st, 2023, 4:03 pm Which areas are the ones you have issues with? Most of the arterials that I can think of don't have much of a canopy ...
Majority of people wouldn't, it doesn't affect them.
Look up a bit. Notice all those trees with stripped bark, no leaves, broken branches.
Give a hint; causation is exhaust stacks, trailers and loads smashing their way through.
Look at the refuse trucks, all scratched to shytte.

Legal, before permit height and width is 13'6"x8'6" Permits allow more.
If trees are not pruned back from roadways edge to 15' they are an
impediment to commercial traffic.

Harvey, Northbound by Ellis, even in the centre lane.
Almost all of Gordon be it median trees or to the right.
KlO right lane Westbound by Mission Creek Golf right to Pandosy.
Nearly any right turn lane off of Harvey.
Cooper right lane past the Mall, Springfield to Harvey.
Stewart Rd. That will be a gong show once the South Perimeter opens.
Anything of size has to straddle the line to miss the trees.
Benvoulin, Cooper to Byrne, a classic case there.

*bleep* poor planning.
Not everyone drives a mini, or rides a bike.

Then there is 97 out of Winfield, from Lodge to Oceola. Look at how the trees have been hit there !
That doesn't even cover any of the less travelled routes.
I can go on....and on.
I shant.


For now.
After our first big snowfall in November I was following a big truck in the HOV lane down Harvey in front of Spall Plaza... I had to back way off because of the amount of snow he was taking down from the trees he was hitting all the way down the highway. The City should either take the trees down or cut them way way back so that they don't impede any vehicles, no matter the size.
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^^^^ :up: ^^^. Yes, they should, for some dang reason they refuse to.
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ash71 wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 2:47 pm After our first big snowfall in November I was following a big truck in the HOV lane down Harvey in front of Spall Plaza... I had to back way off because of the amount of snow he was taking down from the trees he was hitting all the way down the highway. The City should either take the trees down or cut them way way back so that they don't impede any vehicles, no matter the size.
The trees on Harvey are not the responsibility of the COK
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cv23 wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 6:29 pm
ash71 wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 2:47 pm After our first big snowfall in November I was following a big truck in the HOV lane down Harvey in front of Spall Plaza... I had to back way off because of the amount of snow he was taking down from the trees he was hitting all the way down the highway. The City should either take the trees down or cut them way way back so that they don't impede any vehicles, no matter the size.
The trees on Harvey are not the responsibility of the COK
I believe landscaping along Harvey is actually the city's responsibility. Pretty sure at least some of the Harvey sidewalks belong to the city too. The provincial MOTI's jurisdiction ends at the curb, except for signage and streetlights.
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bigtimeoperations wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 8:13 pm
cv23 wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 6:29 pm
The trees on Harvey are not the responsibility of the COK
I believe landscaping along Harvey is actually the city's responsibility. Pretty sure at least some of the Harvey sidewalks belong to the city too. The provincial MOTI's jurisdiction ends at the curb, except for signage and streetlights.
If “the curb” is the change of responsibility then that line extends to the moon. The branches are overhanging the road surface which is MOTI’s responsibility
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So, in the past my calls and e-mails about such problem trees resulted in;
If on City property, zero was done.
If on Private property; Bylaw attended and forced the landowners to cut 'em back.
And it was performed within a short amount of time. (I guess threatens of fines
is a good motivator)

In that line of thought then is the next move is to call bylaw on the
City itself, and on the MOTI, and any other jurisdictional entities
that hold stake.

Been trying (periodically) to get some form of action on this for 5+ years.

I pay a heavy tax load, How about spending a bit of it on something that is an
actual benefit to me, and every other road traveler of legal dimension ?
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bigtimeoperations wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 8:13 pm
cv23 wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 6:29 pm
The trees on Harvey are not the responsibility of the COK
I believe landscaping along Harvey is actually the city's responsibility. Pretty sure at least some of the Harvey sidewalks belong to the city too. The provincial MOTI's jurisdiction ends at the curb, except for signage and streetlights.
Actually the City has to get the permission from MoTI for anything effective within 80m of the Harvey corridor ...
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spooker wrote: Jan 4th, 2023, 11:08 am
bigtimeoperations wrote: Jan 3rd, 2023, 8:13 pm
I believe landscaping along Harvey is actually the city's responsibility. Pretty sure at least some of the Harvey sidewalks belong to the city too. The provincial MOTI's jurisdiction ends at the curb, except for signage and streetlights.
Actually the City has to get the permission from MoTI for anything effective within 80m of the Harvey corridor ...
Whatever.... Nuts down to nobody taking responsibility for jobs left long
over-due.

The old buck pass system that no one seems to have department for.
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FortisBC has the authority to prune, remove, cut down, butcher any and all vegetation near their power lines without City approval or notification.

I thought large trucks weren't permitted to drive in the HOV lane if only one occupant?

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