Freedom of speech in Kelowna/BC

[Urban Cowboy]

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[ferri]

Freedom of speech in Kelowna/BC <---This is the actual topic.

[Richadio]

If you believe in unbounded freedom of speech and rights to protest, then that applies to all. Or, you can have reasonable rules and laws regulate what one can say and where and how one can say it. You can have one or the other, but you can't have both based on your personal views - doesn't work that way.

People are missing that basic aspect, missing it big time. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of the way you choose to exercise that freedom. You can say what you want, but not anywhere you want, and not without potential repercussions if you tread on someone else’s freedom in the process.

So it's all good if you protest but just do it from your living room sofa? Not sure how these rallies are trampling on the freedoms of others?
People on these boards don't seem to realize the government has been hiding from the people for almost three years. They have been elected by the people, given power by the people, they exercise that power from us. It's not theirs to control. They work for us, we don't work for them. They have every obligation to sit down and listen to debate and criticisms from the community.
If they refuse, there are avenues to remove these officials from their duties. It's your tax dollar paying these tyrants.

[Richadio]

Kelowna and the Okanagan must be fairly Liberal. I can't believe in the amount of Woke I see on these forums. Protestors who gather are fighting for the rights of all people in all communities right across this country. If these rights are taken away, then that is a show of the end of democracy as we know it.
The vaccinated still show this divide across the country while protestors are trying to close that gap but get stopped head on most times by actions such as injunctions based on permits and revenue collection for the state.
If you want this country to get back to pre scamdemic state then we all need to start working together and close this divide amongst ourselves and fight this tyranny from government. You must open your eyes and your mind to see exactly what they have planned. Have you been paying attention to what is going on in Davos right now? Probably not because you don't care.
Well, that is where all these secret meetings and agendas are being born this week.
It's time to join your community and stand up for what is right.

Isn't it funny how the Protesters at Stuart Park are being targeted, and the Iranian Protesters that have been protesting for months have been promoted by local media outlets the whole time. Isn't it strange how the Bylaw officers aren't harassing all protest groups occupying our City parks, but just the ones who have strong messages?

My understanding of the supreme law in Canada is that everyone has the right to protest peacefully, anywhere, for any reason to uphold democracy. If people are opposed to protests, then they oppose to democracy.

It is very clear why protests take place, as they are a response to the lack of democracy and public debate. Government and media accountability is lacking, so protests happen when people are not being represented by elected officials.

The reason the group at Stuart Park are being targeted is strictly for political reasons, when anyone demands answers from any form of Government, and the Government wants to silence debate, this is called a "Dictatorship".

Bring back public debate, elected official accountability, and fair truthful media reporting, and the protests will end, until then, expect many to fight for your freedoms and to keep the truth alive.

There is a good reason for all the censoring of information, the corrupt powers that be want to cancel culture, cancel democracy and rule with absolute authority, and we can never let this happen in Canada. So instead of supporting the censorship, realize this will hurt our failing democracy further and turn Canada into another Socialist nation.

Our Health Care system is failing, we have record inflation, unjust housing prices, unlawful taxes on everything, mass censorship, a failing banking system, massive illegal immigration, and they want to roll out a digital ID to control the worlds population with a social credit system.

I think it's time to wake up and realize what really is taking place as our country and culture is being replaced with Drag Queen story time to take the focus off the 20 million that are now gone from the experimental toxins rolled out by Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab.

Great avatar BTW

[alanjh595]

People are missing that basic aspect, missing it big time. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of the way you choose to exercise that freedom. You can say what you want, but not anywhere you want, and not without potential repercussions if you tread on someone else’s freedom in the process.

So it's all good if you protest but just do it from your living room sofa? Not sure how these rallies are trampling on the freedoms of others?
People on these boards don't seem to realize the government has been hiding from the people for almost three years. They have been elected by the people, given power by the people, they exercise that power from us. It's not theirs to control. They work for us, we don't work for them. They have every obligation to sit down and listen to debate and criticisms from the community.
If they refuse, there are avenues to remove these officials from their duties. It's your tax dollar paying these tyrants.

YES, they are elected by US to represent us.
Therefore, they represent the majority of US.

The ONLY ones that are upset are the minority.

[BC Landlord]

So it's all good if you protest but just do it from your living room sofa? Not sure how these rallies are trampling on the freedoms of others?
People on these boards don't seem to realize the government has been hiding from the people for almost three years. They have been elected by the people, given power by the people, they exercise that power from us. It's not theirs to control. They work for us, we don't work for them. They have every obligation to sit down and listen to debate and criticisms from the community.
If they refuse, there are avenues to remove these officials from their duties. It's your tax dollar paying these tyrants.

I wholeheartedly agree.

People who nowadays cheer restricting other people's freedoms might just be on the same chopping block in the near future. Once it starts and unopposed, it never ends. And it's usually incremental.

[Relentless]

Are the Iranian protestors setting up tents and selling merchandise? As for your "Drag Queen Story Time" comment, it really shows the low level of mentality of these types of protests in that anything and everything they don't like or are in agreement in the world with is some sort of grand conspiracy in Government control devised by some global "elitists".

Everyone has the Constitutional right to protest in Canada.
Everyone is equal under the law, and has equal protection of the law.
The City of Kelowna is picking who they want to Politically target.

If David Lindsay is to be held accountable for holding protests, the same applies to the Iranian Protesters, the Gay Pride group, BLM, and any other group that plans and holds protests or events without permits.

If it's good for the Goose, it's good for the Gander. This is politically targeting a specific group with a specific message.
All the rest are getting away without permits to hold protests in a Kelowna Park, so I can only suggest that it is irrelevant of what is taking place at the protests, the issue is Politically silencing a group calling out for democracy and accountability in Canada.
Taking sides with this silencing of "democracy" will affect every Canadian, and the plan is to eventually take away our guaranteed rights, and we cannot ever let that happen. People are fighting for your freedom and rights as well, and you should fully support this.

Kelowna is the only City in BC to be targeted, so the message at these protests must be pinching a nerve. So much that the main stream media has been told not to ever publish all the main talking points that these protests portrait.

You know, going against a Dictatorship is exactly what is happening, and we do live in Canada!

[Ken7]

So it's all good if you protest but just do it from your living room sofa? Not sure how these rallies are trampling on the freedoms of others?
People on these boards don't seem to realize the government has been hiding from the people for almost three years. They have been elected by the people, given power by the people, they exercise that power from us. It's not theirs to control. They work for us, we don't work for them. They have every obligation to sit down and listen to debate and criticisms from the community.
If they refuse, there are avenues to remove these officials from their duties. It's your tax dollar paying these tyrants.

Much like the Ottawa convoy it would likely have been all right if it was controlled.

Even this small group in Kelowna are becoming a problem. When you attempt to do your business in the downtown core and you are blocked by their parade, that is a problem. It interrupts not only the family going skating, it interferes with people possibly who live there or wish to go to Walter Grays destination.

IF those who were involved in the protest gave it some serious thought, it is not really entertaining to all. Those doing it might truly believe they are on it and making a point, although sitting on the outside you are creating more people to dislike you, then support your cause.

The same went on in Ottawa. If they would have tried to meet with PM, failed had a press release with a true spokesperson to address the country they would have likely made a point where CANADIANS all might have said, they have a point. No they went overboard after 5 days of making noise, obstructing traffic, closing roads, and businesses and again they did not truly gain anything did they. The only thing they did was spend money and a number end up in court.

The money spent in Ottawa would have been better spent taking the Federal Government to court and challenging them there where the pen hit the paper. A number of then that were in Ottawa, today when asked do not have a answer when asked, why did you go.

[Ken7]

Much like the Ottawa convoy it would likely have been all right if it was controlled.

Even this small group in Kelowna are becoming a problem. When you attempt to do your business in the downtown core and you are blocked by their parade, that is a problem. It interrupts not only the family going skating, it interferes with people possibly who live there or wish to go to Walter Grays destination.

IF those who were involved in the protest gave it some serious thought, it is not really entertaining to all. Those doing it might truly believe they are on it and making a point, although sitting on the outside you are creating more people to dislike you, then support your cause.

The same went on in Ottawa. If they would have tried to meet with PM, failed had a press release with a true spokesperson to address the country they would have likely made a point where CANADIANS all might have said, they have a point. No they went overboard after 5 days of making noise, obstructing traffic, closing roads, and businesses and again they did not truly gain anything did they. The only thing they did was spend money and a number end up in court.

The money spent in Ottawa would have been better spent taking the Federal Government to court and challenging them there where the pen hit the paper. A number of then that were in Ottawa, today when asked do not have a answer when asked, why did you go.

You've repeated yourself a couple times I have noticed on that question, 'Why are you here, no answer'.
The federal government refused to make a table conversation with the convoy. The PM faked covid then left the province.
He left the country two days later after the invocation to negotiate with Taliban. That shows leadership right there.
The convoy left roads open and accessible by emergency vehicles and community.
The convoy had reached a deal with the city of Ottawa the day before the invocation of the EA to move trucks out of the city and onto Wellington street, but that information got delayed to the feds. Hmmm wonder why eh.
The convoy representatives along side lawyers were giving press release almost daily, that is your fault for not being able to keep tabs on where they were being broadcast.
People are always going to have a negative view when they have a closed mind.

I may have sorry.

As for your reply you are forgetting there was coverage. It was obvious some of the roads were blocked and when there is a emergency there is no time to start vehicles and move them, that is not so true.

I agree 100 % Trudeau failed. He screwed off. My opinion they should have met and tried to hear these people out, only in a effort to have them move on. Although in saying that, if a group of people do not like a decision should they get a table meeting with anyone from Government. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Trudeau at all. We are currently seeing it with the Indiginous, and I will say they have more right to the land then a group of truckers.

As for lawyer and Truckers informing people, if I missed it they must not have had a very good outlet for expressing their point. I was not just waiting to be spoon fed by media on TV.

Why suggest or throw stones about people?? You don't know me as I don't know you....closed mind. That is not necessary really. Just trying to understand your views and those who think the ongoing protest is necessary.

[Urban Cowboy]

So that begs the question, if you are so passionate about it, why don't you run for office and show them how to do it right?

[Richadio]

You've repeated yourself a couple times I have noticed on that question, 'Why are you here, no answer'.
The federal government refused to make a table conversation with the convoy. The PM faked covid then left the province.
He left the country two days later after the invocation to negotiate with Taliban. That shows leadership right there.
The convoy left roads open and accessible by emergency vehicles and community.
The convoy had reached a deal with the city of Ottawa the day before the invocation of the EA to move trucks out of the city and onto Wellington street, but that information got delayed to the feds. Hmmm wonder why eh.
The convoy representatives along side lawyers were giving press release almost daily, that is your fault for not being able to keep tabs on where they were being broadcast.
People are always going to have a negative view when they have a closed mind.

I may have sorry.

As for your reply you are forgetting there was coverage. It was obvious some of the roads were blocked and when there is a emergency there is no time to start vehicles and move them, that is not so true.

I agree 100 % Trudeau failed. He screwed off. My opinion they should have met and tried to hear these people out, only in a effort to have them move on. Although in saying that, if a group of people do not like a decision should they get a table meeting with anyone from Government. Don't get me wrong, I don't care for Trudeau at all. We are currently seeing it with the Indiginous, and I will say they have more right to the land then a group of truckers.

As for lawyer and Truckers informing people, if I missed it they must not have had a very good outlet for expressing their point. I was not just waiting to be spoon fed by media on TV.

Why suggest or throw stones about people?? You don't know me as I don't know you....closed mind. That is not necessary really. Just trying to understand your views and those who think the ongoing protest is necessary.

I can see some understanding here in this response. Many people in this province do not see what is truly going on because they think it does not affect them on a personal level.
These rallies are in support of still in place mandates and legislation being worked on on a daily basis in our government that will hinder the lives of thousands. There are still nearly 2500+ nurses in this province without jobs, fired for not disclosing to Bonnie their personal health information. $14 million allocated to bring in international nurses, fast track their licensing to replace these nurses. That's fair?
What about Bill36? How many in this province know about that? 10% maybe. The private healthcare establishments do. This is a detrimental bill that will impose the stiffest of sanctions onto private healthcare. It will be government ruled by Bonnie.
What about the incoming digital ID and currency? Banks mysteriously running out of fiat currency. What about these now planned 15 minute cities? These are not all conspiracies when the plans are out in the open, in your face.
So these protests are not all strictly about vaccine mandates or masks like many think. There are a lot of other issues that will, like I said affect everyone in this province in one way or another whether they believe or not.
Having an injection is not your saviour.

[fluffy]

Problems arise when peaceful protest gives way to deliberate attempts to disrupt the lives of others, the in-your-face politics that is fast becoming the norm for many.

[countmeout]

There are still nearly 2500+ nurses in this province without jobs, fired for not disclosing to Bonnie their personal health information.

It is 2500 healthcare workers, or about 400 nurses from the 38,000 we have in BC.

$14 million allocated to bring in international nurses, fast track their licensing to replace these nurses. That's fair?

Yes, because to train thousands more nurses will take a long time, we need faster or both locally trained and international.

What about Bill36? How many in this province know about that? 10% maybe. The private healthcare establishments do. This is a detrimental bill that will impose the stiffest of sanctions onto private healthcare. It will be government ruled by Bonnie.

This will help us. I'm for it.

What about the incoming digital ID and currency? Banks mysteriously running out of fiat currency. What about these now planned 15 minute cities? These are not all conspiracies when the plans are out in the open, in your face.

It's just the modern world moving forward. There is nothing evil planned in transitioning our money or high functioning cities.

So these protests are not all strictly about vaccine mandates or masks like many think. There are a lot of other issues that will, like I said affect everyone in this province in one way or another whether they believe or not.
Having an injection is not your saviour.

Maybe they should update their public address then. However as mentioned above the is some fake stats used to form these opinions and most aren't worried.

[spooker]

Problems arise when peaceful protest gives way to deliberate attempts to disrupt the lives of others, the in-your-face politics that is fast becoming the norm for many.

I wonder if it comes from the increase of apathy in general, it takes so much more to get the public's attention that it has to rise to the level of disruption ... or then maybe it's just that the protestors feel if they repeat it enough other will start to believe it

[MAPearce]

Problems arise when peaceful protest gives way to deliberate attempts to disrupt the lives of others, the in-your-face politics that is fast becoming the norm for many.

That isn't happening with the Freedom protests ..

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