Grading the NDP

[hobbyguy]

In July 2017 the unemployment rate was 6.3%.
In March 2018 it was 4.73%.

With projects under consideration that any worker in BC with the appropriate qualifications can work on - union jobs that are safer, with better pay and benefits, returns of their tax dollars to the government plus money in pocket to spend in the business community stimulating the local BC economy, I see this as a win-win.

Cherry picking propaganda! Not wrong, but definitely not right.

Up until March, the unready BC NDP/LEAP usurpers operated with the BC Liberal budget, BC Liberal capital expenditure program, and BC Liberal taxation plan. So it really is only after that March budget mess fiasco that the BC NDP/LEAP got their ideologically constipated act "together" (if you can call it that) and really started to mess with the BC economy. June 2018 unemployment was up to 5.2% from the 4.7 in March.

That shift, from March to June is indeed too short a time frame to determine a trend.... but it is clear that the BC Liberal policies in effect until March 2018 appeared to have unemployment on a downward trend.

ETA: link: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1410028703

[hobbyguy]

Hmmm... I was looking at the Ontario NDP platform, which is very similar to the BC NDP/LEAP in promising "everyone can have everything for free". https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/Change-for-the-better.pdf

The biggest difference from the BC NDP/LEAP is that the Ontario NDP provide costing, a taxation plan, and budgeting. Similar taxation moves that the BC NDP/LEAP excuse for a budget contains.

The Ontario NDP, despite very large tax increases, "plan" calls for deficits of: $4.7 billion, $5.5 billion, $6.5 billion, $5 billion, and $3.4 billion over 5 years. $25.1 billion in additions to the provincial debt from operating deficits - the very worst kind of deficit.

As the taxation and expenditure plans are very similar to what we have seen in Carole James' dog's breakfast for a budget, it makes my nose twitch. Are we headed for a fiscal mess with the BC NDP/LEAP? Don't know for sure, but there are many indications that BC will be facing deficit problems very soon.

[mikest2]

Hmmm... I was looking at the Ontario NDP platform, which is very similar to the BC NDP/LEAP in promising "everyone can have everything for free". https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/Change-for-the-better.pdf

The biggest difference from the BC NDP/LEAP is that the Ontario NDP provide costing, a taxation plan, and budgeting. Similar taxation moves that the BC NDP/LEAP excuse for a budget contains.

The Ontario NDP, despite very large tax increases, "plan" calls for deficits of: $4.7 billion, $5.5 billion, $6.5 billion, $5 billion, and $3.4 billion over 5 years. $25.1 billion in additions to the provincial debt from operating deficits - the very worst kind of deficit.

As the taxation and expenditure plans are very similar to what we have seen in Carole James' dog's breakfast for a budget, it makes my nose twitch. Are we headed for a fiscal mess with the BC NDP/LEAP? Don't know for sure, but there are many indications that BC will be facing deficit problems very soon.

Carole James has been backstabbed by the Leapers before, I assume she'll be a shoe in for scapegoat this time too.

[Jflem1983]

Hobby. These NDP stalwarts here. Do not care about budgets. They only care about. Well i cant actually answer that. Im stumped as to what these voters think.


I figured for sure they were all for site c. Then flaming told me they werent. Well they were not. Until Horgan flipped on it. Then they were for it. Only cuz. Liberals are evil.

Now i figure they are all anti jobs. So no to the pipeline. But watch as the support for Canadian oil slowly builds. This position is untenable at best for the NDP.

The real question. what are you NDP supporters actually for. How do u see BC moving forward under this terrible un elected government of nincompoops

[burnedatstake]

Hobby. These NDP stalwarts here. Do not care about budgets. They only care about. Well i cant actually answer that. Im stumped as to what these voters think.


I figured for sure they were all for site c. Then flaming told me they werent. Well they were not. Until Horgan flipped on it. Then they were for it. Only cuz. Liberals are evil.

Now i figure they are all anti jobs. So no to the pipeline. But watch as the support for Canadian oil slowly builds. This position is untenable at best for the NDP.

The real question. what are you NDP supporters actually for. How do u see BC moving forward under this terrible un elected government of nincompoops

did thr right wing liberals really care about budgets? they glossed up some budgets while other budgets suffered. its apparent that the budgets of icbc and hydro and the ferries were not run well at all. this is classic right wing rose colored glasses. we are great at budgets - well except those ones - but hey we are the best at it!
im for a change. and it is about time. the liberals were way to confident and arrogant in their status quo. the only alarming things i see is from right wingers with an axe to grind from information they subscribe to from right wing rags. dont you have a fraser report to read or something? they fudge numbers - youd love them.

[mikest2]

Hobby. These NDP stalwarts here. Do not care about budgets. They only care about. Well i cant actually answer that. Im stumped as to what these voters think.


I figured for sure they were all for site c. Then flaming told me they werent. Well they were not. Until Horgan flipped on it. Then they were for it. Only cuz. Liberals are evil.

Now i figure they are all anti jobs. So no to the pipeline. But watch as the support for Canadian oil slowly builds. This position is untenable at best for the NDP.

The real question. what are you NDP supporters actually for. How do u see BC moving forward under this terrible un elected government of nincompoops

did thr right wing liberals really care about budgets? they glossed up some budgets while other budgets suffered. its apparent that the budgets of icbc and hydro and the ferries were not run well at all. this is classic right wing rose colored glasses. we are great at budgets - well except those ones - but hey we are the best at it!
im for a change. and it is about time. the liberals were way to confident and arrogant in their status quo. the only alarming things i see is from right wingers with an axe to grind from information they subscribe to from right wing rags. dont you have a fraser report to read or something? they fudge numbers - youd love them.

That's the answer I expected, no answer to the question, no direction (just 16 blah blah), and no idea.

[hobbyguy]

Hobby. These NDP stalwarts here. Do not care about budgets. They only care about. Well i cant actually answer that. Im stumped as to what these voters think.


I figured for sure they were all for site c. Then flaming told me they werent. Well they were not. Until Horgan flipped on it. Then they were for it. Only cuz. Liberals are evil.

Now i figure they are all anti jobs. So no to the pipeline. But watch as the support for Canadian oil slowly builds. This position is untenable at best for the NDP.

The real question. what are you NDP supporters actually for. How do u see BC moving forward under this terrible un elected government of nincompoops

That has long been a question with the peanut chuckers that constitute the BC NDP/LEAP. They are against pretty much everything, and for nothing that makes any sense. There is an obstructionist culture that has long existed in the BC NDP, and it has gotten worse the addition of the lunacy of the LEAP gang.

For example: One wonders, now that the BC NDP/LEAP are "for" LNG (after opposing LNG for years) whether or not absent that apparently phony obstructionism we in BC would already have a major LNG (or two) completed or nearing completion?

Obstructionists simply can not, in the mid to long term provide governance. Obstructionists tend to be bereft of good ideas, and more importantly, clueless about the implementation of ideas. Couple that obstructionism with the a fair number of ideological missionaries within the BC NDP/LEAP and you have a very toxic mix - and one where pragmatism fails to be an element.

In opposition, the BC NDP/LEAP essentially focused on two things: being against everything (the well documented "party of nooooo") and propaganda distraction techniques. That certainly fits with teh tactics of the small number of BC NDP/LEAP advocates on this forum. Ask the BC NDP/LEAP "what is your solution" - and you get a whole lot of "16 years" and ya well the Liberals did this or that, no definitive plan or answers.

Thus we saw, after all that foofrah and posturing for "16 years" (it is actually 22 years since the clown car drivers won an election) that the BC NDP/LEAP had nothing, they had to start with 99% following Liberal plans, Liberal policies, Liberal budgets for both operating and capital budgets. The BC NDP/LEAP "party of protest" is the "dog that caught the bus" - now what! - and so inevitably, we saw that when forced to actually come up with what is purported to be plans in the March budget - we got "the dog's breakfast".

The only major divergence from the Liberal positions thus far have been the antics of the anarchist village idiot George Heyman, and the "reckless" (Weaver's wording) elimination of the bridge tolls - which will be replaced with "congestion point tolls" or some other equivalent formula that recovers the bridge tolls from the same people. Even the "eliminate MSP premiums" is completely fouled up - it is only a half measure in that the Liberals had already cut the premiums by 50% and at the same time made them more progress, and the BC NDP/LEAP ideological missionaries got their pinkies in the pie and simply transferred MSP premiums from the collective "we" (individuals and businesses) to an "all business" one size fits all mess attacking businesses and the economy.

This is the rubbish excuse you get for governance from a rag tag collection of ideological missionaries, know nothing snollygosters, and obstructionist fools. The Liberals had some obvious faults, but this BC NDP/LEAP lot are managing to make them look like "the good old days" in very short order.

[burnedatstake]

That's the answer I expected, no answer to the question, no direction (just 16 blah blah), and no idea.

keep loving a government that screws up all of the individual budgets so they can fudge the one that is the propaganda yearly. especially the year of an election. lucky for us ndp voters the population wasnt duped by the keywords "economy" or "surplus" or "jobs" or "LNG". the jig was up. now have some dignity and deal with it.

[flamingfingers]

Something the BCLiberals could not do:

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[burnedatstake]

[quote="hobbyguy"]"There is an obstructionist culture that has long existed in the BC NDP"

its official. you are well and truly delusional. for 16 years the liberals did whatever pleased them - and their highfalutin donors. if they wanted to systematically destroy icbc - they did it. in a very partisan way. if they wanted to use hydro as a piggy bank - they did so in a very partisan way. if they wanted to keep those casino revenues up by turning a blind eye - they did that in a very partisan way. if they wanted to waste money on legal costs fighting the bctf in a losing battle - they did so in a very partisan way. what was clearly illustrated in the long tenure of the liberal party and from their supporters is this - they were not colleagues of the elected representatives in victoria that were ndp. they ignored them and relegated any sane opposition as nonsense. they thought of themselves as a caste of higher status. and in the end they got too close to the sun - and their manufactured wings melted. precipitating their demise and a monumental change.

my challenge to any liberal supporters is this - prove to british columbians (now that you are ousted from power) that you will truly be a help to something other than businesses and special interests. then you can have the moral median to stand on - of accusing your opponents of being an "obstructionist culture" simply because they are not doing things your way. because as i see it - as the opposition that is complaining so much about the ndp and their policies - there is a monumental obstructionist culture in the liberal party. so much so that there was chaos immediately after the party fell. it was entertaining to see the predators within the liberal party take bites out of eachother and throw eachother under the bus. they were even shown to be obstructionist to their own party interests and members.

[burnedatstake]

Something the BCLiberals could not do:

thats because the liberals and the party couldnt baragain collectively if their life depended on it. they would walk in with a copy of "the art of the deal' and tweet you to death in a closed door meeting saying - take it or leave it. look how well that worked when they saw weaver standing on a podium with horgan announcing an alliance with his phone off. it really wasnt a fair fight. a party that is all about bargaining fairly against one that is clueless. what did liberals expect to happen?

[mikest2]

keep loving a government that screws up all of the individual budgets so they can fudge the one that is the propaganda yearly. especially the year of an election. lucky for us ndp voters the population wasnt duped by the keywords "economy" or "surplus" or "jobs" or "LNG". the jig was up. now have some dignity and deal with it.

Still can't answer a few simple questions? This thread is "Grading the NDP", not "Life in the rear view mirror"

[burnedatstake]

Still can't answer a few simple questions? This thread is "Grading the NDP", not "Life in the rear view mirror"

says a liberal supporter that has the ace card of "the 90's". isnt the rear view mirror bad? we have the ndp now. enjoy them and stop looking to the past.

[mikest2]

Still can't answer a few simple questions? This thread is "Grading the NDP", not "Life in the rear view mirror"

(BS) says a liberal supporter that has the ace card of "the 90's". isnt the rear view mirror bad? we have the ndp now. enjoy them and stop looking to the past.

[/quote]

Am I a liberal supporter ? I hate politicians in general. I can't believe that you can't answer any question posed to you about your beloved party. I would really like to hear some answers if that is not outside of your area of expertise.

[burnedatstake]

Am I a liberal supporter ? I hate politicians in general. I can't believe that you can't answer any question posed to you about your beloved party. I would really like to hear some answers if that is not outside of your area of expertise.

unfortunately for you - i dont work under the thumb of others. if i choose to answer questions in a way that is contrary to the predestined nature of the person posing said question - that is my prerogative. and im happy to enjoy my time under the party of my expertise. life is good. and when the ball starts rolling i look forward to fair wage jobs - that cant be done wrong and over budget by private business hacks that cant bid a job if their life depended on it. they would rather be so bad - that it becomes a cost plus job just so it can get done. and then blame a lack of skilled trades for the ineptitude. news flash - if you pay and dont sunshine tax - you will get skilled labour.