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Postby GordonH » Jan 1st, 2019, 11:58 am

spooker wrote:Please note the bolded phrase from my previous post. It's the same reason that the CoK would like to help people change how they move for "trips under 5km", no one is saying that alternatives are the solution for "everyone" and "all situations" ... if someone wants Cora up in Glenrosa then the delivery will be by car, if the eater is ordering from the Marriott then they can deliver by bike ...

I'm trying to say that someone has already found a solution to part of the problem and is succeeding with it ... unfortunately our infatuation with using a car for everything can be found to be the root cause of the cost of living going up so dramatically ... needing more roads means higher taxes, needing more parking means more expensive housing, a carbon tax to offset burning the gasoline, ditching trains for transport (pointing the finger at the valley but also in general) ... indirect costs are still costing us though we love to blame it on someone else ...


5 Km's covers large area including some steep roads (bike deliveries), check out the link below
https://www.mapdevelopers.com/draw-circ ... C0.4%5D%5D
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby dontrump » Jan 1st, 2019, 12:07 pm

vinnied wrote:So, what ever happened to the solar farm the city was going to build out buy the airport?



I think most likley someone finally did the math and realized it was about a 400 year pay back LOL

Solar In Canada is a lefty greenie socialist wet dream :130:

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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby spooker » Jan 1st, 2019, 1:24 pm

spooker wrote:Please note the bolded phrase from my previous post. It's the same reason that the CoK would like to help people change how they move for "trips under 5km", no one is saying that alternatives are the solution for "everyone" and "all situations" ... if someone wants Cora up in Glenrosa then the delivery will be by car, if the eater is ordering from the Marriott then they can deliver by bike ...

I'm trying to say that someone has already found a solution to part of the problem and is succeeding with it ... unfortunately our infatuation with using a car for everything can be found to be the root cause of the cost of living going up so dramatically ... needing more roads means higher taxes, needing more parking means more expensive housing, a carbon tax to offset burning the gasoline, ditching trains for transport (pointing the finger at the valley but also in general) ... indirect costs are still costing us though we love to blame it on someone else ...


GordonH wrote:5 Km's covers large area including some steep roads (bike deliveries), check out the link below
https://www.mapdevelopers.com/draw-circ ... C0.4%5D%5D


Bicycles do have gears and can climb hills (used to ride 1.5k up Summit on my daily commute a few years ago, these days I have fun exercising up Knox) ... and while I referenced the goal of the CoK in the same response as talking about how limits providing bicycle delivery service it was not meant to be a literal boundary to the latter ...
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby nepal » Jan 2nd, 2019, 1:23 am

We think we’re paying lots for gas! And the world is swimming in oil over-supply, so the blue part isn’t moving much on graph below.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby The Green Barbarian » Jan 2nd, 2019, 12:14 pm

It's Jan 2nd and gas didn't go up??
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby Urban Cowboy » Jan 2nd, 2019, 3:17 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:It's Jan 2nd and gas didn't go up??


Perhaps not but it also didn't go down to Penticton levels. :-X
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby GordonH » Jan 2nd, 2019, 3:38 pm

Breakdown of a litre of regular gasoline in the BC interior (at the pump):
1) Rack price (which is set daily, rarely moves then few cents up or down)
2) Federal tax which includes GST (only changes by Feds, at most once a year. Hasn't been increase for number of years)
3) Provincial tax which includes the carbon tax (these taxes do change more often)

Add the above amounts up.... then minus it from the actual pump price.... you get the amount of the delivery costs plus what the station owner/manger gets for both his/hers income & the day to day running of the station. Which includes monthly lease, electricity & employees wages etc... etc

Personally I'd never want to be a station owner/manger.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby Smurf » Jan 2nd, 2019, 3:46 pm

When we had the station, be it about 15 years ago we always hoped it would pay the utilities and rent etc but I don't believe it ever made it. You need to be in the millions of liters to make much on gas.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby Urban Cowboy » Jan 2nd, 2019, 7:14 pm

GordonH wrote:Breakdown of a litre of regular gasoline in the BC interior (at the pump):
1) Rack price (which is set daily, rarely moves then few cents up or down)
2) Federal tax which includes GST (only changes by Feds, at most once a year. Hasn't been increase for number of years)
3) Provincial tax which includes the carbon tax (these taxes do change more often)

Add the above amounts up.... then minus it from the actual pump price.... you get the amount of the delivery costs plus what the station owner/manger gets for both his/hers income & the day to day running of the station. Which includes monthly lease, electricity & employees wages etc... etc

Personally I'd never want to be a station owner/manger.


Yeah well more often than not, these days the stations are owned by the company, and all those points above don't explain around 20 cents a liter difference in price between here and Penticton.

I mean we're all aware that we're getting screwed, it's just that nowadays they don't even make an effort to be subtle about it, or buy us a drink afterwards. :biggrin:
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby GordonH » Jan 2nd, 2019, 7:20 pm

GordonH wrote:Breakdown of a litre of regular gasoline in the BC interior (at the pump):
1) Rack price (which is set daily, rarely moves then few cents up or down)
2) Federal tax which includes GST (only changes by Feds, at most once a year. Hasn't been increase for number of years)
3) Provincial tax which includes the carbon tax (these taxes do change more often)

Add the above amounts up.... then minus it from the actual pump price.... you get the amount of the delivery costs plus what the station owner/manger gets for both his/hers income & the day to day running of the station. Which includes monthly lease, electricity & employees wages etc... etc

Personally I'd never want to be a station owner/manger.

Urban Cowboy wrote:Yeah well more often than not, these days the stations are owned by the company, and all those points above don't explain around 20 cents a liter difference in price between here and Penticton.

I mean we're all aware that we're getting screwed, it's just that nowadays they don't even make an effort to be subtle about it, or buy us a drink afterwards. :biggrin:


Esso unloaded the stations to 7-11 & Chevron pulled out of BC.
So which company are you talking about.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby twobits » Jan 2nd, 2019, 7:23 pm

Smurf wrote:When we had the station, be it about 15 years ago we always hoped it would pay the utilities and rent etc but I don't believe it ever made it. You need to be in the millions of liters to make much on gas.

There are no independent gas station owners anymore that are not corporate guaranteed price per liter returns. Every station out there posts prices as dictated by their corporate fuel supplier. The chump running the station could give a rats arse if the price goes down to 50 cents a liter cuz he gets paid a fixed rate per liter. If corporate head office does not reply to local market price wars, they are going to lose that owner and face a lawsuit from that owner for losses based on min guaranteed returns in the franchise agreement.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby Urban Cowboy » Jan 3rd, 2019, 10:36 am

GordonH wrote:
GordonH wrote:Breakdown of a litre of regular gasoline in the BC interior (at the pump):
1) Rack price (which is set daily, rarely moves then few cents up or down)
2) Federal tax which includes GST (only changes by Feds, at most once a year. Hasn't been increase for number of years)
3) Provincial tax which includes the carbon tax (these taxes do change more often)

Add the above amounts up.... then minus it from the actual pump price.... you get the amount of the delivery costs plus what the station owner/manger gets for both his/hers income & the day to day running of the station. Which includes monthly lease, electricity & employees wages etc... etc

Personally I'd never want to be a station owner/manger.

Urban Cowboy wrote:Yeah well more often than not, these days the stations are owned by the company, and all those points above don't explain around 20 cents a liter difference in price between here and Penticton.

I mean we're all aware that we're getting screwed, it's just that nowadays they don't even make an effort to be subtle about it, or buy us a drink afterwards. :biggrin:


Esso unloaded the stations to 7-11 & Chevron pulled out of BC.
So which company are you talking about.


Petro Can for one.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby GordonH » Jan 3rd, 2019, 11:08 am

Petro-Canada was bought out by Suncor in 2009, no different than Parkland fuel buying out Chevron.

Like Smurf said the Mom & Pop ownership of gas stations is a money loser.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby Urban Cowboy » Jan 3rd, 2019, 11:31 am

GordonH wrote:Petro-Canada was bought out by Suncor in 2009, no different than Parkland fuel buying out Chevron.

Like Smurf said the Mom & Pop ownership of gas stations is a money loser.


Well I did say that most stations are corporate owned these days, so it would appear I'm agreeing with you.
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Re: Gas in BC going up

Postby GordonH » Jan 3rd, 2019, 11:41 am

GordonH wrote:Petro-Canada was bought out by Suncor in 2009, no different than Parkland fuel buying out Chevron.

Like Smurf said the Mom & Pop ownership of gas stations is a money loser.

Urban Cowboy wrote:Well I did say that most stations are corporate owned these days, so it would appear I'm agreeing with you.

Case & point Esso Canada handing distribution over to 7-11 (of course sold it to 7-11), not sure if each franchise is owned or just run by local manger.
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