An Act of War; Oka Crisis Part 2?

[Brass Monkey]

When First Nations stop being disregarded as 2nd class citizens on their own land. Maybe when they’re allowed to get a 21st century education.

and how do you propose to fix this? I am curious. There is a lot of funding that goes to First Nations education and post-secondary education. You don't seem to think that this is good enough. So tell us, without a bunch of guilt, what you think would work. Can you do that? Or is it impossible?

Funding runs amok when it actually gets in the hands of certain bands due to mismanagement and corrupted Chief and Councils, no matter how much money is dumped into a community their members won’t feel obligated to go to post secondary when they live 2-6 hours from the closest town, it doesn’t help that generations above mine in many bands have no education beyond grade 7/8/9. I’d rather see the government dump a few million to build a small school on a reservation than see them surrender that money to the hands of the council.

[featfan]

*removed*

[Brass Monkey]

So when are 1st Nations going to step up?

I don't think this is a fair statement. I've spent a lot of time reading about how the Indigenous and their leaders are working hard to move forward, and they are stepping up. They are trying really hard. Working incredibly hard to move their people out of the past, consumed by hatred and misunderstanding, and into the future. I also do most of my charitable giving to Indigenous causes. Unfortunately you have these "splinter groups" like this one that are standing in the way of jobs, and the economy, for reasons that are inexplicable and make no sense. And you have a certain number of Indigenous consumed by hatred, like the OP, who just can't move out of the past, and into the future, and so falsely portray these splinter groups as some kind of heroes, and the poor RCMP as some kind of villains. It's really sad to see. Just horrible in fact.

The resentment doesn’t come from the past, it comes from current events such as the RCMP gearing up to raid another band of First Nations protestors for not complying with federal law. Resentment comes from comments such as the one about walling in all reservations and keeping us locked in as so nicely put earlier in the thread. Stating historical facts and the obvious notion that they are shameful is not hatred, facts don’t care about your feelings.

[twobits]

This sounds like fish soup 2.0 to me.

[Bikes]

what we need is some good old vigilante justice here. all that needs to happen is the hypocritical left is to stop interfering. the right will do the work and solve the problem yet again. the socialist PC crowd produce nothing and solve nothing.
Time for every law to apply to every citizen equally.
The Charter of Rights and Freedoms is a joke and it makes white males of normal gender ideals as the lowest class citizen.
if you are a transgender indian who wants to marry a french Metis gay person and adopt an immigrant and change their religion to the babies.. you would be making the ultimate person for protection under the charter.
The charter is a joke and only applies to a few as far as protection.
Canada has lost the plot. We are nothing but globalist garbage now. We need nationalism back and we need to apply the law equally or there will be a continuing of the total collapse of civility.

[vegas1500]

The resentment doesn’t come from the past, it comes from current events such as the RCMP gearing up to raid another band of First Nations protestors for not complying with federal law.

Is it not the job of the RCMP to deal with those that don’t comply with federal law? That’s a rhetorical question......

[Brass Monkey]

The resentment doesn’t come from the past, it comes from current events such as the RCMP gearing up to raid another band of First Nations protestors for not complying with federal law.

Is it not the job of the RCMP to deal with those that don’t comply with federal law? That’s a rhetorical question......

Federal law kept my grandparents from voting...I hope you can think more critically than that, unless it was sarcasm.

[vegas1500]

Is it not the job of the RCMP to deal with those that don’t comply with federal law? That’s a rhetorical question......

Federal law kept my grandparents from voting...I hope you can think more critically than that, unless it was sarcasm.

Again, times have changed. Any federal law broken regardless of race should be dealt with the same way......but I guess your ok with laws being broke....

[Brass Monkey]

Again, times have changed. Any federal law broken regardless of race should be dealt with the same way......but I guess your ok with laws being broke....

Times didn’t seem so different when the situation is boiled down to the basics, if the government can’t shove enough money to the Indians to get them to surrender then they send the army.

[dirtybiker]

Question BM :So, if it was a bunch of white European people putting up a blockade to
disrupt a legal and binding project that their little group was against.
Would you show the same support ? or, call the cops yerself ?

Maybe these people should just move aside, hop in a machine and start digging,
for a pretty wage too I might add.

[Hurtlander]

members of Wet’suwet’en are indeed resisting against federal development and have been warned of an impending police raid, while on sovereign and unceded land, those are facts.

I don’t think anyone is against the government consulting with First Nations over the building of pipelines or resource extraction etc.. And the government did just that, they consulted with the elected First Nations band councils along the proposed right-of-way for the new TC gas pipeline, the elected First Nations governments approved the pipeline and the jobs that come with it. However, there’s a small group of First Nations people in Wet’suwet’en territory that don’t recognize the authority of the elected chiefs and band councillors, they only recognize the authority of the hereditary chiefs and their clan elders, they believe the federal government needs to also consult with the hereditary chiefs. The problem is the Wet’suwet’en territory has 13 different hereditary chiefs, how in the can the federal government consult with two or three elected band councils (which they have) plus consult with 13 more hereditary chiefs and their traditional clan elders and expect to get any projects off the ground in anything less than 25 -50 years ?
The government has followed the rules laid out by the SCOC, they’ve consulted with the First Nations representatives that they’re legally obligated to consult with. The government is well within its right to have the RCMP remove the protesters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet%27suwet%27en

[The Green Barbarian]

facts don’t care about your feelings.

on this we can agree. Until you can actually present these "facts", free of the spin and guilt-trips, I'm afraid that you won't rally many to your cause. But that doesn't seem to be the point of your posts anyway. It's more about inflaming and stirring up hate, and for that I really hope you fail. There is a long and complex path to the future here, and leaving behind old hatreds and prejudices, on both sides, is the only way forward.

[The Green Barbarian]

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Federal law kept my grandparents from voting...I hope you can think more critically than that, unless it was sarcasm.

and comparing what your grandparents went through for the vote to this situation is a huge slap in their face. Shame.

[The Green Barbarian]

How many of your grandparents were denied a job or an education? Curious to know.

a lot of grandparents had jobs for sure. They were putting their lives on the line so that you wouldn't be speaking German right now.

[Brass Monkey]

Question BM :So, if it was a bunch of white European people putting up a blockade to
disrupt a legal and binding project that their little group was against.
Would you show the same support ? or, call the cops yerself ?

Maybe these people should just move aside, hop in a machine and start digging,
for a pretty wage too I might add.

That is not cut in white and black, no European factions own any sovereign land within Canada and the Europeans here don’t have a history of land loss and treaty negligence. That being said it doesn’t matter who it would be, the Asians, the Europeans, the hispanics, if they had sovereign and unceded land and the government used federal forces to get them to develop their land against their consent I wouldn’t say it is right. Nobody can just hop on a machine, these elders are retired.