BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/rebuild

BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/rebuild

Postby burnedatstake » Feb 6th, 2019, 11:48 am

well its official. wilkinson finally called it. they went from we won - to need a rebuild.

"Liberal Leader Andrew Wilkinson said last week the party was shifting into a period of renewal after losing the Nanaimo byelection."

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby Urbane » Feb 6th, 2019, 11:58 am

Have a look at the actual results from Nanaimo for the 2017 provincial election and the recent byelection. Much of that Green vote went back to the Liberals and not to the NDP. Yes, the Liberals need to renew even though they haven't lost a provincial election since 1997. The NDP should consider such a process as well!

So why have the Liberals dominated over the past couple of decades? The short answer: NDP. Also, those who vote Liberal are far more willing to see the weaknesses in their party of choice while NDPers tend to give their party a pass for things that they railed against when the Liberals did them. That's good for the Liberals and bad for the NDP. I could spell some of those things out here but that should be a whole other thread.

So, despite the fact that the Liberals have been a powerful electoral powerhouse, and would still be in power today if Andrew Weaver had kept his word, Wilkinson's call for renewal is spot on. I expect some of the old guard to step aside and new faces to take their place. The future looks bright for the BC Liberal Party.
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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby burnedatstake » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:08 pm

thats like edmonton saying "we could have won a cup - and should have won a cup - but we didnt". i think that this is an indictment on wilkinson as a leader. people see right through him and know how shady he is. so the answer is injecting new blood. unfortunately that wont help either.
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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby Urbane » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:22 pm

    burnedatstake wrote:thats like edmonton saying "we could have won a cup - and should have won a cup - but we didnt". i think that this is an indictment on wilkinson as a leader. people see right through him and know how shady he is. so the answer is injecting new blood. unfortunately that wont help either.
Wilkinson shady? He didn't promise taxpayers that their money wouldn't be used to pay off NDP debt and then renege on that promise. He didn't promise to freeze BC Hydro rates and then renege on that promise. He didn't defame Gordon Wilson and then refuse to let taxpayers know how much they're paying for lawyers.

Again, those who vote Liberal are willing to acknowledge the flaws in that party but for some reason NDPers aren't able to do the same with theirs. By looking the other way they do themselves and their party no favours and that augurs well for the continued electoral success of the Liberals. Renewal is good and I'm glad to see that the Liberals are doing just that!
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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby Cactusflower » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:23 pm

Is Wilkinson the only BC Liberal who will admit it when they lose an election? His cheerleaders are still in denial, obviously.

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:33 pm

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Hmm... "Are you ready to run BC?"

Yes, they want to 'run' BC just like they did for the last 16 years. Maybe for truth, they should make it: RUIN!!!
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Postby flamingfingers » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:38 pm

^^As an example of the BC Liberals' 'fiscally prudent, accountable and fully transparent' governement:

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby Cactusflower » Feb 6th, 2019, 12:39 pm

the Tyee list of BC Liberal lies, boondoggles, and scandals

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby goalie » Feb 8th, 2019, 4:55 pm

liberals must be jailed immediately. billions stolen. everything will be revealed soon.

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby buckland » Feb 10th, 2019, 10:58 am

Urbane wrote:Wilkinson shady? He didn't promise taxpayers that their money wouldn't be used to pay off NDP debt and then renege on that promise. He didn't promise to freeze BC Hydro rates and then renege on that promise. He didn't defame Gordon Wilson and then refuse to let taxpayers know how much they're paying for lawyers.


What NDP debt are you talking about? As an insider, Wilkinson had full knowledge of BC Hydro true financial records while NDP only had access to the padded figures presented to them and the public by the last Liberal Government. I would like to know who Wilkinson thinks should be replaced in his caucus. Tod Stone is the first one who should go after royally screwing up his ICBC file. Wilkinson himself looks like he is always mad and whining about anything and everything. He is not a happy person when in front of a camera.

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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 10th, 2019, 12:29 pm

Urbane wrote:Wilkinson shady? He didn't promise taxpayers that their money wouldn't be used to pay off NDP debt and then renege on that promise. He didn't promise to freeze BC Hydro rates and then renege on that promise. He didn't defame Gordon Wilson and then refuse to let taxpayers know how much they're paying for lawyers.


buckland wrote:What NDP debt are you talking about? As an insider, Wilkinson had full knowledge of BC Hydro true financial records while NDP only had access to the padded figures presented to them and the public by the last Liberal Government. I would like to know who Wilkinson thinks should be replaced in his caucus. Tod Stone is the first one who should go after royally screwing up his ICBC file. Wilkinson himself looks like he is always mad and whining about anything and everything. He is not a happy person when in front of a camera.


Meanwhile, Horgan has demonstrated a dire need for anger management class, on several occasions, so your point is what exactly?
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Re: BC liberals mighty fall from clone speech to blow up/reb

Postby burnedatstake » Feb 10th, 2019, 7:31 pm

Urban Cowboy wrote:Meanwhile, Horgan has demonstrated a dire need for anger management class, on several occasions, so your point is what exactly?


id be mad if i had to watch the bc liberals and the cronies screw up bc and enable crooks. i hope horgan keeps that fire and keeps the liberal inner circles feet to the fire. in my opinion wilkinson is worse simply because the liberal party was saying they were behind cristy clark. meanwhile wilkinson was talking to media like he was stumping for leadership. with friends like that - who needs enemies?
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