Daylight saving time. Rant away.

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bob vernon wrote: Mar 12th, 2023, 9:43 am Unless all of us on the west coast move to the same time zone TOGETHER, there will be problems. Imagine the problems with airline schedules between Seattle and Vancouver if they are in different time zones. Arriving before you left and the missed connections. WE all should switch at the same time, or not at all.

But in a local sense, it comes down to having that extra daylight in the evening in the summer for recreation or sending your kids to school in the dark in the winter. With school districts trying to reduce spending on busing, more kids are walking longer distances along unplowed streets, in morning commute traffic, and it'll be in the dark if we switch to permanent DST. Or we can just continue with switching twice a year.
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my5cents wrote: Mar 12th, 2023, 9:25 am
lesliepaul wrote: Mar 12th, 2023, 12:57 am EXCITED...........got my FOUR watches all lined up and ready to be turned ahead ONE hour :biggrin:

.........then I will carry on with life for another six months without a care in the world.
I've got you beat. My wife volunteers at the Care Closet in Penticton and as a result I'm also a volunteer. I have about 40 watches that I will put batteries in and set today and tomorrow to DST. Plus the stuff around the house, microwave, stove, 4 wall hanging clocks, the car, furnace thermostat, and I'm sure I've forgotten one somewhere.
Did the appliances before midnight..........I am pretty picky with my watches, set to the second!

........sometime this week I will set the clock in the vehicles..........never seem to make that a priority.
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It's the USA that are the leader in the abolishment of DST and Canada will follow suit.

No need to worry about the US.
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alanjh595 wrote: Mar 12th, 2023, 2:17 pm It's the USA that are the leader in the abolishment of DST and Canada will follow suit.

No need to worry about the US.
Actually isn't it abolishing PST ?

The terminology is awkward "daylight savings time" isn't really "saving" time it's moving daylight for early morning to late evening. If we "spring ahead" and never go back, what that will be called I don't know. I don't think Pacific Daylight Savings time would be the appropriate name, but nobody consults with me.

Technically in the winter, Pacific Standard Time is UTC-8 (Coordinated Universal Time) it lasts for only 4 months over the winter, we have been changing our clocks to what we've called "daylight savings time" which is UTC-7 for 8 months over the summer. If things go the way most want we'll have permanent UTC-7. If you watch military movies, UTC is also "Zulu Time" and the former Greenwich Mean Time, all are the same.

Sorta strange "standard" time is only in effect for 1/3'rd of a year and "the other time", the "exception" daylight savings time, is in effect for 2/3rds of the year.

And yes, the US will dictate what happens. I think there's a saying, something about sleeping next to an elephant.
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Daylight Savings Time.
The idea of aligning waking hours to daylight hours to conserve candles was first proposed in 1784 by U.S. polymath Benjamin Franklin. In a satirical letter to the editor of The Journal of Paris, Franklin suggested that waking up earlier in the summer would economize on candle usage; and calculated considerable savings.[1][2] In 1895, New Zealand entomologist and astronomer George Hudson proposed the idea of changing clocks by two hours every spring to the Wellington Philosophical Society.[3] In 1907, British resident William Willett presented the idea as a way to save energy. After some serious consideration, it was not implemented
There is another alternative.

Seasonally adjust working hours.
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alanjh595 wrote: Mar 12th, 2023, 3:49 pm Daylight Savings Time.
The idea of aligning waking hours to daylight hours to conserve candles was first proposed in 1784 by U.S. polymath Benjamin Franklin. In a satirical letter to the editor of The Journal of Paris, Franklin suggested that waking up earlier in the summer would economize on candle usage; and calculated considerable savings.[1][2] In 1895, New Zealand entomologist and astronomer George Hudson proposed the idea of changing clocks by two hours every spring to the Wellington Philosophical Society.[3] In 1907, British resident William Willett presented the idea as a way to save energy. After some serious consideration, it was not implemented
There is another alternative.

Seasonally adjust working hours.
And how about school hours? Should they be adjusted to account for working parents? How about businesses who don't want to seasonally adjust?

And I just looked at the Letters in the Opinion section. The lack of depth of knowledge by the opinionated is shocking.
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bob vernon wrote: Mar 13th, 2023, 10:33 am And how about school hours? Should they be adjusted to account for working parents? How about businesses who don't want to seasonally adjust?

And I just looked at the Letters in the Opinion section. The lack of depth of knowledge by the opinionated is shocking.
As a result of your post I read the comments in the Letters section. Yes shocking.

I particularly like the one from Charles Passmore:
  • A majority of British Columbians voted and want no part of the changing of times on an annual basis. The B.C. government has no business deciding on this topic on it own, as the people of B.C. have voted.
Yes, there was a plebiscite conducted asking British Columbians "Are you in favor of Daylight Saving Time ?" Not really a vote on a permanent change of time.

The vote was 53.6% in favor of Daylight Saving Time. So, "a majority of British Columbians" voted for DST, not against a permanent time change.

If you don't recall the vote, you can be forgiven, it was conducted in 1952, some 71 years ago.
  • It has been stated on many occasions that the provincial government has no jurisdiction on what local elected officials decide as noted and many municipalities in British Columbia are on daylight time year around, namely the city of Creston and surrounding area.
That's sorta semantics as a result of a 1972 referendum conducted in the Electoral Area Districts of Columbia River, Kootenay, Nelson/Creston, North Peace River and the South Peace River, those area decided to use Mountain Standard time. Those areas which are in eastern BC, in actuality are currently in the same time zone position as the rest of BC would, if we change to permanent DST.
  • So, if the residents of Kelowna wanted to stay on daylight time year round, the city council has the jurisdiction and power to do this without authorization from the provincial government if a referendum were passed, for example, at municipal election time.

    I, for one, loath the interference the provincial government has expressed on this topic.
Can you imagine the city of Kelowna using a different time than the surrounding area ?

If Passmore loathes the "interference" the provincial government has expressed on DST, it's a good thing Passmore doesn't live in the US, where not even the state can authorize a permanent time change, it has to be done by the feds.
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