All things Horgan

[the truth]

well said, imo first nations need to come on the news and tell these environmental groups to take a hike

[JagXKR]

Well, Horgan must support the rights of these left loony bin idiots. Right?
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/277324 ... an-Tuesday

By 8:15 a.m., two people were lying across the driveway, while others were holding signs on the street.

But it seems he may be a hypocrite.

At 8:20 a.m., police arrested protesters who were blocking the driveway. Horgan left his home at 8:30 a.m.

So it's ok to arrest these people right away but not all the other left loonies?

[Merry]

Holding left wing views is not a crime, but anarchy is. And many of those currently disrupting the lives of both politicians and ordinary citizens are anarchists, who are using this particular bandwagon to cause as much social unrest as possible. If and when this issue with the Wet'suwet'en is resolved, the Anarchists will simply move on to a new “cause” they can exploit.

Such anarchy is a threat to democracy, and needs to be squelched by whatever means possible. Not catered to the way Trudeau is doing.

As someone stated in another thread, if the police refuse to do their job bring in the military. Because, if democracy is to survive, the Rule of Law must be upheld.

[the truth]

Holding left wing views is not a crime, but anarchy is. And many of those currently disrupting the lives of both politicians and ordinary citizens are anarchists, who are using this particular bandwagon to cause as much social unrest as possible. If and when this issue with the Wet'suwet'en is resolved, the Anarchists will simply move on to a new “cause” they can exploit.

Such anarchy is a threat to democracy, and needs to be squelched by whatever means possible. Not catered to the way Trudeau is doing.

As someone stated in another thread, if the police refuse to do their job bring in the military. Because, if democracy is to survive, the Rule of Law must be upheld.

this whole anarchy stuff is jt fault, telling people the last 4 years that they can do what they want anytime they want because its there human right

hell look at jt the guy should be locked up by now for everything he has done ,

[The Green Barbarian]

I remember how gleeful the NDP idiots were when people were harassing Gordon Campbell over his views and actions. I wonder, now the same scum they supported are turning on them, will they be as happy that it's now happening to them???

A number of pipeline protesters attempted what they called a “citizen's arrest” of Premier John Horgan outside his Vancouver Island home Tuesday morning.

CTV News reports members of Extinction Rebellion Vancouver Island said they wanted to prevent Horgan from attending the provincial budget announcement at the legislature.

The premier wasn't at home when protesters first arrived, but he came home shortly after, and was verbally accosted.

Four RCMP vehicles were stationed outside the home before 8 a.m., along with the premier's security team.

By 8:15 a.m., two people were lying across the driveway, while others were holding signs on the street.

At 8:20 a.m., police arrested protesters who were blocking the driveway. Horgan left his home at 8:30 a.m.

[butcher99]

Holding left wing views is not a crime, but anarchy is. And many of those currently disrupting the lives of both politicians and ordinary citizens are anarchists, who are using this particular bandwagon to cause as much social unrest as possible. If and when this issue with the Wet'suwet'en is resolved, the Anarchists will simply move on to a new “cause” they can exploit.

Such anarchy is a threat to democracy, and needs to be squelched by whatever means possible. Not catered to the way Trudeau is doing.

As someone stated in another thread, if the police refuse to do their job bring in the military. Because, if democracy is to survive, the Rule of Law must be upheld.

this whole anarchy stuff is jt fault, telling people the last 4 years that they can do what they want anytime they want because its there human right

hell look at jt the guy should be locked up by now for everything he has done ,

Ok I'll bite. What has trudeau done that is illegal that carries jail time. And just what does Trudeau have to do with the topic at hand? I really get tired of all the whining and it is whining about Trudeau and the Ndp and Greens being in power. They won the election. Get over it!

[Merry]

Ok I'll bite. What has trudeau done that is illegal that carries jail time. And just what does Trudeau have to do with the topic at hand?

When the topic is Horgan's handling of the protests about the Coastal Gas Link pipeline, it's impossible to discuss it without referencing Trudeau's role in the whole affair.

I didn't interpret "truth's" remarks to suggest he thinks Trudeau has actually done anything illegal according to Canadian Law, but rather that his ill considered remarks in the past, combined with his lack of effective action dealing with the current illegal protests, ought to be enough to have him locked up. A sentiment often expressed by folks unhappy with politician's actions, or inactions, but one that isn't intended to be taken literally.

The fact is that once you begin negotiating with law breakers, instead of enforcing the Law, you risk emboldening future protestors to do the same.

Trudeau, Horgan, the Wet'suwet'en band councils, and the Hereditary chiefs all need to sit down and sort this mess out. But all others should be put on notice that if they continue to break Canadian Law by defying Court orders, they will be arrested and charged.

White protestors, many of whom don't fully understand the issues currently at play within the Wet'suwet'en First Nation, need to back off and let the Wet'suwet'en decide amongst themselves the best way forward. Ditto for the radical protestors amongst the Mohawk First Nation, who are clearly using this issue to further their own political agenda.

First Nations have been saying for years that they want the right to self determination. And that means letting THEM be the ones to decide what is best for their people. So all those who want to turn this into a fight about pipelines in general, or the environment, or the poor treatment of indigenous people as a whole, need to go fight their own battles, and leave the Wet'suwet'en to fight theirs.

If Trudeau and Horgan allow the Wet'suwet'en people to be denied the right to choose for themselves which form of governance they want going forward, then they will have betrayed their promise to ALL First Nations people. Catering to law breakers, anarchists, and publicity seekers, instead of dealing with the people actually affected by this particular pipeline, is both inappropriate and just plain wrong.

[butcher99]

Ok I'll bite. What has trudeau done that is illegal that carries jail time. And just what does Trudeau have to do with the topic at hand?

When the topic is Horgan's handling of the protests about the Coastal Gas Link pipeline, it's impossible to discuss it without referencing Trudeau's role in the whole affair.

I didn't interpret "truth's" remarks to suggest he thinks Trudeau has actually done anything illegal according to Canadian Law, but rather that his ill considered remarks in the past, combined with his lack of effective action dealing with the current illegal protests, ought to be enough to have him locked up. A sentiment often expressed by folks unhappy with politician's actions, or inactions, but one that isn't intended to be taken literally.

The fact is that once you begin negotiating with law breakers, instead of enforcing the Law, you risk emboldening future protestors to do the same.

Trudeau, Horgan, the Wet'suwet'en band councils, and the Hereditary chiefs all need to sit down and sort this mess out. But all others should be put on notice that if they continue to break Canadian Law by defying Court orders, they will be arrested and charged.

White protestors, many of whom don't fully understand the issues currently at play within the Wet'suwet'en First Nation, need to back off and let the Wet'suwet'en decide amongst themselves the best way forward. Ditto for the radical protestors amongst the Mohawk First Nation, who are clearly using this issue to further their own political agenda.

First Nations have been saying for years that they want the right to self determination. And that means letting THEM be the ones to decide what is best for their people. So all those who want to turn this into a fight about pipelines in general, or the environment, or the poor treatment of indigenous people as a whole, need to go fight their own battles, and leave the Wet'suwet'en to fight theirs.

If Trudeau and Horgan allow the Wet'suwet'en people to be denied the right to choose for themselves which form of governance they want going forward, then they will have betrayed their promise to ALL First Nations people. Catering to law breakers, anarchists, and publicity seekers, instead of dealing with the people actually affected by this particular pipeline, is both inappropriate and just plain wrong.

I really don't disagree with much of what you posted at all. But it is not up to Trudeau and Horgan to settle this. This is a matter before the courts. It is up to the RCMP to handle illegal protests not the governments.
The tribal councils have their own tribal police. They need to handle the protests on native land and if they do not then the RCMP should handle it for them.
All Horgan and Trudeau can do is mediate and try to find a settlement.

I certainly agree with the sentiment that a lot of the protesters have little understanding of what is going on. After reading the chalk messages on the pedestrian overpass over Harvey a lot of those people don't even realize it is a gas line not an oil line.

[hobbyguy]

The reality is that the BC NDP are at the heart of the anarchy we are seeing. Nothing to with JT, Harper or anybody else.

Horgan's problem, which becomes our problem, is "the enemy within".

https://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/columnists/les-leyne-remarkable-organizing-prowess-fuels-protests-1.24077299

"The motives and validity of the protest shutdowns are up for debate, but the organizational prowess is beyond dispute. It’s a remarkable achievement to co-ordinate thousands of people in massive civil disobedience across Canada."

SNIP

" Two years ago, there was a brief glimpse of the strategic thinking that’s going into the demonstrations. It was a small political story that passed quickly, but this week suggests the concepts that came to light then are still in play.

It was about “the hive.”

The reference was in a planning document that leaked after Environment Minister George Heyman attended a meeting at a Bowen Island retreat with some people who were dedicated to blocking the Kinder Morgan oil pipeline proposal.

The opposition Liberals landed on the outline and accused Heyman of consorting with activists and agitators.

He said he was just doing his job, meeting everyone. The rest of the cabinet just rolled their eyes and laughed off the opposition’s dark suspicions.

But nobody’s laughing today. Because the hive looks to be alive and well, and buzzing around the NDP government’s head."

SNIP

" But the outline is a perfect model for how to accomplish exactly what unfolded this week — coordinated, mass action on a grand scale.

It doesn’t just happen spontaneously. It needs a lot of careful thinking, and big pool of volunteers.

Just So You Know: Another document from even further back came to light this week. It is much more obviously in play today and it’s more than a little ironic.

A message circulating widely refers to how “legal observers” were trained by the protesters to monitor the response of police and authorities to the disruptions.

The co-author of the handbook being used?

It was David Eby, now B.C.’s attorney general, who wrote it for protesters active during the 2010 Vancouver-Whistler Olympics while he was with the B.C. Civil Liberties Association.

The same Eby whose Vancouver-Point Grey constituency office was occupied this week by protesters who traumatized office staff.

Legal observers following the Eby handbook were on hand at the legislature blockades."

I am reminded of the book "Barbarians at the Gate". The BC NDP has always failed us because they can not control the radicals that form several wings of their party. Dave Barrett failed in the end because he could not control the lunatic wings of the NDP. Mike Harcourt failed because he could not control the lunatic wings of the NDP. Glen Clark failed because he could not control the lunatic wings of the NDP.

Now Horgan is the path of failure because he has the core of the problem right in his cabinet. Horgan, Dix, James and Mungall have proven reasonably competent, but Eby, Heyman, Popham and Trevena are destroying things faster than they can build them up.

And now Heyman and Eby have contributed to a national problem.

I may agree with some of the NDP's goals and policies, but experience taught me that the BC NDP are incapable of governance in the long run because the radical lunatics eat the governance from the inside.It is a poison within the BC NDP that is toxic to everything. Now that poison in the well has showed up in Horgan's driveway, and spread across the country.

[OKkayak]

Well, Horgan must support the rights of these left loony bin idiots. Right?
https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/277324 ... an-Tuesday

By 8:15 a.m., two people were lying across the driveway, while others were holding signs on the street.

But it seems he may be a hypocrite.

At 8:20 a.m., police arrested protesters who were blocking the driveway. Horgan left his home at 8:30 a.m.

So it's ok to arrest these people right away but not all the other left loonies?

Lets get this straight. Protestors block Johnny's drive way, arrested within minutes. Protestors shutdown a major corridor in Metro Vancouver everyday for the last few weeks and nothing is done?

Today, Commercial and Broadway. Yesterday, Hastings and Clark, before that was Hastings and Main, Granville Street Bridge, Cambie and Broadway, Renfrew and Grandview, Port of Vancouver, Deltaport, BC Ferries terminals, WestCoastExpress, just to name a few. Seriously, enough is enough.

[Pete Podoski]

Vaughn Palmer: Polls slam Horgan for dubious handling of pipeline protests, blockades


Question from the Angus Reid Institute, asked of some 1,500 respondents across Canada earlier this week:

“Is your premier doing a good or bad job handling this whole issue regarding the Coastal GasLink project and the protest blockades against it?”

Answer, in the case of the premier of B.C.: 65 per cent said Horgan was doing a bad job, only 18 per cent said he was doing a good job.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/vaughn ... -blockades

[seewood]

If Horgan would mention anybody/ everybody has the right to protest. Then next sentence:
Nobody has the RIGHT to ignore legal injunctions and blockade public roads and rail lines. Ones that ignore injunctions and make a nuisance of themselves, will face legal prosecutions. Me thinks if he said that and followed through, the polls would be reversed.
My 89 year old mother said send in the army and clear the roads....

[ninetyninepct]

I have no idea who is running this Province, but the current "leader" has to get permission from the Washington Governor to adjust the clocks. DUH.

[Gone_Fishin]

A week from hell for Johnny. Maybe he should just pack up and go home.

VICTORIA (February 28, 2020) – Only 18 per cent of British Columbians think John Horgan is doing a good job handling the Coastal GasLink project and protest blockades according to a new poll which capped off a terrible week for John Horgan and the NDP.

“On top of his terrible new poll numbers, John Horgan has had to deal with several missteps from his MLAs, a minister going off the deep end, and his colleagues from Surrey getting caught in a lie about building a second hospital,” said Jas Johal, MLA for Richmond-Queensborough. “Not to mention the crowd of protesters at the Legislature who have forced ‘the people’s house’ to shut its doors to the public for the longest time in its history. Now John Horgan has lost his audience for his daily stand-up comedy routine.”

The last week of February started off with NDP Attorney General David Eby being condemned by the media for his blatant politicization of, and interference in, the serious issue of money laundering in Canada — and it all went downhill from there. The NDP’s week reached new depths when Surrey MLA Jagrup Brar, incensed at being called out for claiming a second hospital would be built in Surrey without providing any funding for it, lashed out at the BC Liberals by quoting Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in the Legislature.

“Clearly the NDP never expected anyone to actually read the lengthy budget documents so they could get away with promising an entire new hospital to Surrey without providing any money at all,” added Johal. “As soon as we exposed their Surrey swindle, the NDP couldn’t help but fly off the handle. Surrey residents deserve better.”

Also part of John Horgan’s terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week

A failed attempt at time travel:
Minister Simpson tried to credit a 2019 NDP plan for a 2018 reduction in poverty numbers
North Vancouver MLA Bowinn Ma’s repeated missteps:
She described the demise of Vancouver-based company Teck’s Frontier energy project as “the turning point we desperately need”
She also suggested the ICBC dumpster fire should be extended to strata insurance
Ghosts from the past:
The public learned the same career protester who blockaded the West Coast Express was previously glad-handed by John Horgan who promised him a friendly “sit down” when campaigning in Maple Ridge
MLAs going rogue:
Nanaimo MLA Sheila Malcolmson said she “celebrated” the pipeline protests
Kootenay MLA Katrine Conroy encouraged the pipeline protests

https://bcliberalcaucus.bc.ca/john-horg ... y-bad-week

[The Green Barbarian]

MLAs going rogue:
Nanaimo MLA Sheila Malcolmson said she “celebrated” the pipeline protests
Kootenay MLA Katrine Conroy encouraged the pipeline protests

how or why are these two lunatics still a part of the BC government? What an embarrassment. What a disgusting joke. The NDP is just plain rotten to the core.