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Postby Jlabute » Jun 23rd, 2019, 12:18 pm

Is this about roasting your weenies and marshmallows over a flaming vampire?
Justin Trudeau? NO! Trust in Judo!

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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby AirHoss » Jun 23rd, 2019, 3:11 pm

LTD wrote:I will happily stop using my wood stove as soon you step up and pay my power bill for heating my home with electricity until then choke on my smoke


Genuinely lol’d. And I agree. With my wood stove, my Jan elec bill is $100. Without the wood stove, it’s $350, so no... i’m not getting rid of it.

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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby t76turbo » Jun 24th, 2019, 9:37 am

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Wood fires, even at home for a fireplace, stove, campfire or furnace, pollutes. Raw ugly filthy pollution. The tree spent it's entire life absorbing carbon and creating oxygen. Burning the wood reverses the whole thing and creates horrible health problems.

barbie need to try to become connected to reality and start regulating things that actually do some good. Ban wood burning unless with a very expensive permit. Reduce flying by at least 50% just to start. Think about it - nobody really needs to fly anywhere for any reason other than a life in danger. Funeral? Wedding? Send a card. Holiday locally. No need to fly to Europe or Mexico or Hawaii. If CO2 is so horrible, restrict carbonated beverages.[/quote]


You can’t be serious right?
Yes, something to be said about cutting back but no wood for heat?
I made a huge mistake by not having added a wood burning heat source for the last home I built. Power $$ are at a steady climb.
I miss my wood heat! Which by the way, is a renewable heat source compared to gas. And much easier harvested!

Just bought a new wood stove for my shop. It’s the only heat source for my quonset. I Generally use deadfall wood.
You do realize that a dead tree gives off same amount of carbon when rotting, right?
Burning only expedites the process, heat being the ever loved byproduct. Keeps my fingers and toes nice and warm.

There is much waste all over the planet that correlates to carbon production. If we just all did our “little bit” we would all benefit long term. Europe and for the most part N. America have a good grip on this idea, it’s the rest on this planet that seem to not be really involved in curbing unnecessary carbon production. On an economic standpoint, for us here in Canada , we are now being penalized and it’s starting to hurt in our pocket book.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby Mike Br. » Jun 24th, 2019, 10:36 am

ninetyninepct wrote:Wood fires, even at home for a fireplace, stove, campfire or furnace, pollutes. Raw ugly filthy pollution. The tree spent it's entire life absorbing carbon and creating oxygen. Burning the wood reverses the whole thing and creates horrible health problems.


You realize, that's how forests naturally rejuvenate themseves. They burn! And, one of the reasons for latest intense forest fires, especially around inhabited areas, is years/decades of fire suppression, making forests thicker and more flammable. There is no shortage of trees in this country, especially in BC.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby TylerM4 » Jun 24th, 2019, 1:19 pm

ninetyninepct wrote:
Wood fires, even at home for a fireplace, stove, campfire or furnace, pollutes. Raw ugly filthy pollution. The tree spent it's entire life absorbing carbon and creating oxygen. Burning the wood reverses the whole thing and creates horrible health problems.

barbie need to try to become connected to reality and start regulating things that actually do some good. Ban wood burning unless with a very expensive permit. Reduce flying by at least 50% just to start. Think about it - nobody really needs to fly anywhere for any reason other than a life in danger. Funeral? Wedding? Send a card. Holiday locally. No need to fly to Europe or Mexico or Hawaii. If CO2 is so horrible, restrict carbonated beverages.


You know just enough to be dangerous.

Current regulations require the use of catalytic stoves that burn really clean and efficiently. You can't even tell it's burning when you look at the chimney.

The wood is either going to burn or rot anyway. If it burns outside of a modern wood stove it's going to pollute much more. If it rots, it's actually WORSE for the environment vs burning. Yes, you heard me right - when it comes to global warming it's better to burn the forests than it is to leave the wood to rot.

Pollution is a poor argument against wood stoves. You'll need to change your tune if you want people to take it seriously. If you look at net impact to CO2 - natural gas is far worse than wood. Once you extract NG from the ground all that carbon goes into the atmosphere. Least with wood it's CO2 that would eventually end up in the atmosphere (burning naturally or rotting) anyway rather than "net new" CO2.

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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby oldtrucker » Jun 24th, 2019, 3:20 pm

When out in the back country on a week long middle of nowhere walkabout...(Edit...You cannot carry enough water, food or propane-ya right, to keep you warm and predator free- you have to acquire those resources enroute...it's all part of the fun.)
Don't build your campfire near the forest canopy...find a clearing so that even when sparks go up and over, carried by the wind, it doesn't light the forest on fire. I think it's rule number 13 or 14. Common sense really. That simple rule has worked for me for decades.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby t76turbo » Jun 25th, 2019, 5:32 am

^^^
Chances are your probably close to a water source too.

Sound like fun. At one with nature. Unfortunately fading away fast in today’s world. New generation would probably prefer an app with a burning fire on cell phone (no carbon and smoke pollution) then send out for food order to be brought in by drone.
Picking berries, gutting fish, dressing an animal all sound like work, smelly boring work. For others the highlight of the day!

Beautiful sunrise this morning.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby oldtrucker » Jun 25th, 2019, 10:02 am

t76turbo wrote:^^^
Chances are your probably close to a water source too.

Sound like fun. At one with nature. Unfortunately fading away fast in today’s world. New generation would probably prefer an app with a burning fire on cell phone (no carbon and smoke pollution) then send out for food order to be brought in by drone.
Picking berries, gutting fish, dressing an animal all sound like work, smelly boring work. For others the highlight of the day!

Beautiful sunrise this morning.


It doesn't matter what time period a person was born and lived....they will be instinctively drawn to it. Fire is part of the human condition. It is part of our DNA. I call it " Cable 1 million BC". Ever noticed how everyone near or around a fire is mesmerized by it- everyone. We have been doing it for well over a million years.... well before we were even human. It's a part of what and who we are.
The most meaningful conversations happen around a fire...especially when out of cell coverage.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby mexi cali » Jun 25th, 2019, 10:16 am

so it started by the side of the road so it must have been a careless idiot with a cigarette, couldn't have been from a chain dragging on a truck or a spark from the exhaust or brakes or a piece of glass or a lightening strike and so on. you see someone throwing out a cigarette has absolutely nothing to do with a campfire unfortunately the only thing lost nowadays is peoples ability to think rationally


Of course it could have been caused by any of the things you mention, except for lightning because there wasn't any that day. As for the rest? Sure but the likelihood that it was caused by a tossed butt is much higher than the rest.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby mexi cali » Jun 25th, 2019, 10:26 am

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#259640

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#259598

https://globalnews.ca/news/5267524/wild ... lake-2019/

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lejac-h ... c-may-2019

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/11 ... acuations/

https://globalnews.ca/news/5141622/two- ... -interior/

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/12 ... -kamloops/

Just a few easy pickins. These are examples of why camp fires should be banned. It is far from fair and while I agree that there are likely more responsible back woods people than not, it, like most things in life, is the idiot minority who make the rest of us pay for their neglect.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby Tony » Jun 26th, 2019, 5:08 am

OldIslander wrote:
Tony wrote:You are wrong. The bulk of fires started are human caused because the bulk of humans that go into the woods have no clue and/or have a clue but don't care.

No, YOU are wrong. Here is a table showing fire statistics for the past decade and only in 2 years were more than 50% of the fires that season, human caused. Some years, it was in the 20 percentile range. And many of these would be due to accidents -- hot brakes, sparks from vehicles, vehicle fires, etc. etc. etc. -- things other than outright negligence.

You are wildly generalizing, with no data or proof to back up your allegations. In my 55+ years in the back country of BC, I've never seen a fire started due to human stupidity. That might be more good luck than anything else, but it's true. Idiots who start fires through careless smoking or unattended fires are in the minority.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/wildfire-status/about-bcws/wildfire-statistics/wildfire-averages




Let's just go in recent history....
Rock Creek - human caused
Barriere - human caused
Penticton (Garnet Fire) - human caused
Oliver - human caused
Falkland - human caused
Elephant Hill - human caused

And in the past -
Manning Park - human caused

Even 25% is too high. There is one year where 68% of the fires are human caused. The issue is, is that as thinking, feeling people, why is there ANY percentage that is human caused? I know you can't fix stupid, but seriously, explain how a person doesn't know to put out their fire, how not to throw a burning butt out a car window or drop it on the trail, or what ever other reason there maybe to prevent a fire.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby AirHoss » Jun 26th, 2019, 6:21 am

mexi cali wrote:https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-259640-21-.htm#259640

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#259598

https://globalnews.ca/news/5267524/wild ... lake-2019/

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lejac-h ... c-may-2019

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/11 ... acuations/

https://globalnews.ca/news/5141622/two- ... -interior/

https://www.citynews1130.com/2019/05/12 ... -kamloops/

Just a few easy pickins. These are examples of why camp fires should be banned. It is far from fair and while I agree that there are likely more responsible back woods people than not, it, like most things in life, is the idiot minority who make the rest of us pay for their neglect.


Yeah, that’s always the solution. Treat everyone like a criminal because some people may be irresponsible. If you want to live under the government’s boot-heel, may I suggest North Korea, Saudi Arabia or the like.

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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby normaM » Jun 26th, 2019, 6:55 am

"With my wood stove, my Jan elec bill is $100. Without the wood stove, it’s $350" goodness how much space are you heating?
I agree - no campfires.
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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby skydawg » Jun 26th, 2019, 7:17 am

Can we ban stupid posts such as " No camp fires"

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Re: Castanet article" No need for campires"

Postby Brushy Bill » Jun 26th, 2019, 8:35 am

Leave the fires alone. Can we just ban stupidity ?

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