NDP doubles raw log exports

NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Gone_Fishin » Aug 10th, 2019, 1:56 pm

What the ?


B.C. VIEWS: Sawmill struggles as NDP boosts northwest log exports

Skeena Sawmills comeback threatened by B.C. government

Aug. 10, 2019 11:30 a.m.


If there’s a bright spot in the struggling B.C. forest industry, it’s Skeena Sawmills.

Since new investors took over the 59-year-old operation from West Fraser in 2011, they have poured millions into restarting and upgrading Terrace’s only sawmill, fixing old buildings and retooling to handle smaller second-growth timber from the economically marginal forest stands that are left in the region.

They’ve invested more millions into building a pellet plant for biofuel exports. They’re working with the industry-federal agency FPInnovations to use log scanning technology that helps mills detect flaws inside logs to get a viable lumber product out of otherwise uneconomic timber.

They’ve endured shutdowns due to log shortages, high costs and union demands. And now they face a new threat – drastically increased log exports in the North Coast region that siphon off even more of the scarce high-grade timber.

That’s right, despite Premier John Horgan’s endless rant against exporting “raw logs” and jobs, despite mill shutdowns across the province due to jacked-up stumpage taxes on the coast and falling timber supply in the Interior, the export limit has been doubled in the Northwest Interior region around Kitimat, Terrace, Smithers and Hazelton. Similar cabinet orders increase export limits for the vast North Coast, Cassiar and Haida Gwaai regions, apparently so Indigenous communities in the region can make money shipping the best “raw logs” overseas.

https://www.terracestandard.com/opinion ... og-exports
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Urbane » Aug 10th, 2019, 2:07 pm

^^ What the ? is right. Same old NDP . . .

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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby seewood » Aug 10th, 2019, 2:43 pm

Log exports on crown land have to pass a " surplus" test. Logs on crown land have to be offered to domestic mills first. If they don't want them, then they can be offered for export.

Logs on Indian band land and private land crown granted before 1907 I think it was, may be exported without the " surplus" test.

Yellow cedar, Red cedar. and high grade fir is not allowed to be exported, or at least it has not for the past umpteen years.
Up north in the Skeena, the Hemlock is usually over mature and Balsam is mixed rot, over mature and pretty nice. Sitka Spruce, not sure about export permissibility. Hi-grade I know is not.
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby GordonH » Aug 10th, 2019, 2:54 pm

I don't care which government is in power shipping raw logs is shipping jobs elsewhere. impo this patience should come to an end NOW
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby LordEd » Aug 10th, 2019, 4:29 pm

I'm sure this was condemned a few years ago and will be praised today...
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Gone_Fishin » Aug 10th, 2019, 4:35 pm

Gee, what happened? This was Horgan in January.


B.C. vows to curb raw log exports, wood waste with sweeping policy reforms

Foresters have economic concerns following announcement at Truck Loggers Association conference

Jon Hernandez · CBC News · Posted: Jan 17, 2019 8:15 PM PT


The province has vowed to keep raw logs in B.C. after unveiling a two-year plan to revitalize forestry along the coast.

In a room filled with loggers, Premier John Horgan unveiled policy reforms aimed at incentivizing companies to process raw logs in B.C., with the goal of bucking a decades-long trend of local mill closures and increased log exports.

"We want to reduce the amount of logs going out, and increase the amount of jobs coming from our logs," said Horgan.


"We also need to send a signal to the investment community that if there are dollars that want to come into our forest industry that we have fibre to meet that demand."

B.C. loggers aim to transition away from harvesting old growth — but it could take 90 years
Horgan did not specify what incentives there will be to keep the logs in B.C. He said those will be developed in the coming months after consultations with communities, industry and trade unions.

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Horgan says the province is looking to develop higher standards that will encourage more processing in B.C. Those will roll out over the next two years following consultations with First Nations and industry stakeholders.

He says it could mean increased fees for log exporters in certain regions, as early as the summer of 2019.

"We're not going to continue to send unprocessed material to be processed somewhere else, sometimes just a few miles from where we're having our lunch today," said Horgan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4982990
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby GordonH » Aug 10th, 2019, 4:37 pm

LordEd wrote:I'm sure this was condemned a few years ago and will be praised today...


Did a advanced search and found 15 pages (many may not have anything to do with this subject).
Here is a link: search.php?keywords=raw+logs&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby LordEd » Aug 10th, 2019, 4:41 pm

Add Christy or liberal to that filter and it'll be there.

Just add this bookmark for the future... Increase log exports good.
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Gone_Fishin » Aug 10th, 2019, 4:44 pm

It's interesting to see what Horgan's biggest fans had to say about the topic. But if the crickets are right, it's now a wonderful thing. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=66651&p=1995236&hilit=raw+logs#p1995236
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Urban Cowboy » Aug 10th, 2019, 6:21 pm

^^ It's not crickets, cockroaches is more like it.
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby blueliner » Aug 10th, 2019, 7:50 pm

Gone_Fishin wrote:It's interesting to see what Horgan's biggest fans had to say about the topic. But if the crickets are right, it's now a wonderful thing. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=66651&p=1995236&hilit=raw+logs#p1995236

Well they will stand on the NDP shine box and say " Do as we say not do as we do " same old pile of NDP Dog :cuss: and were is the Dream Weaver and his Tree hugging Greenies on this :smt045

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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Brushy Bill » Aug 11th, 2019, 6:51 am

Similar cabinet orders increase export limits for the vast North Coast, Cassiar and Haida Gwaai regions, apparently so Indigenous communities in the region can make money shipping the best “raw logs” overseas.
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby rustled » Aug 11th, 2019, 1:56 pm

seewood wrote:Log exports on crown land have to pass a " surplus" test. Logs on crown land have to be offered to domestic mills first. If they don't want them, then they can be offered for export.

Logs on Indian band land and private land crown granted before 1907 I think it was, may be exported without the " surplus" test.

Yellow cedar, Red cedar. and high grade fir is not allowed to be exported, or at least it has not for the past umpteen years.
Up north in the Skeena, the Hemlock is usually over mature and Balsam is mixed rot, over mature and pretty nice. Sitka Spruce, not sure about export permissibility. Hi-grade I know is not.

Do they not "want" them because the stumpage is too high?
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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby Terris » Aug 18th, 2019, 9:41 am

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/02/04/B ... g-Exports/

Nothing new here. This is the same "raw exports" baffle gab that's been endlessly rolled out for years now by opponents of whatever government party holds the reins here.

The log brokerage business is one of those shadow "industries", like the real estate "industry", that has been operating largely under the radar and away from any real scrutiny.

After raw log exports were curtailed in the early 90's (by the NDP), log brokers came up with all kinds of loopholes and methods to circumvent the rules.

When the loosey goosey Campbell/Clark liberals came into, power, they began increasing the export ratios one little influential tweak at a time till now the ratio is more than double what it was in the 90's.

So now, according to the NDP haters in the audience, and nearly 30 years later, it's the NDP who have created this mess???

:135:

Many mills that we assume to be BC or Canadian owned have been bought up or heavily invested in by foreign companies years ago already by Americans, Japanese and Chinese companies. What these companies were most interested in are the forest tenures that each mill holds, which is the money in the bank so to speak.

I worked in logging and log scaling through the 90's for the American based McFarland Cascade Pole Company, and witnessed how these larger foreign companies were bypassing BC export "guidelines' by purchasing pole producers with log peeler plants ie. Bell Pole, McFarland Cascade etc.

This company held several forest tenures here in BC, ie. Gilford Island, even though they were not strictly operating as a mill or even a logging company. They contracted out the logging to BC companies and brought the logs to the pole processing plant in New Westminster. There were several other BC based companies also playing along with this circumvention.

These plants were than used to lightly skim the bark off of the "raw" log, trim the top and butts, hammer a pole length on the butt and call it a telephone pole, then ship it by rail to Tacoma, where they were then shipped to other American mills or overseas to Japan.

The Americans were more interested in the fir and spruce raw logs, the Japanese, at the time wanted mostly the large old growth cypress and red cedar.

Some old growth spruce logs then were valued at $15,000 each with cypress going for over $1200/Cubic metre and we shipped hundreds of rail cars in the 5 years I worked there.

Whole booms of raw logs worth million$ each, are kept stored along the Fraser river, either in the river or on dryland sorts, where they are sometimes kept for years while brokers sit on them and wait for the markets to be favorable before being sold by the brokerages.

Considering that these booms are entirely paid for with cash upfront by the brokerages, it is an industry ripe for money laundering and other possible undue influences.

Just as with the ALR, or, as it's known in the Okanagan, future real estate development land, the big players in the forest industry have learned to bypass the strict points in the raw log export regulations regardless of the party name of the political transients we keep putting into office here in BC.

Follow the $$$...

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Re: NDP doubles raw log exports

Postby seewood » Aug 18th, 2019, 3:36 pm

rustled wrote:Do they not "want" them because the stumpage is too high?


Nope. If the logs for sale meet the mills sawmilling profile, they will purchase them provided the end cost will not exceed the selling price of the finished product. Also they have the milling capacity for that volume.
Coastal mills capacity is usually a fraction of what an interior mill can cut. The coastal log size and species mix is all over the map so a mill will attempt to cut a desired log profile to match their sawmilling equipment. IE: second growth, 16" diameter and less Fir. The mill could be optimized for that profile and will obtain logs that fit. They won't be interested in 48" fir logs as their de-barkers or head rigs are not capable to cut those. Timber West in Chemainus cuts bigger logs for the timber market for example, but give them a load of pee-wee fir...no can do.

Stumpage is an amount of money the license holder pays the government for the right to cut/harvest that log. It is included in the cost of the log when sold to a customer.
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