Lack of timber/Log truck convoy protest

[dakoda62]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/265887 ... gher-costs

How many cu meters of wood are are shipped as raw logs? thousands with no benefit but stumpage fees paid the province. Stop ALL raw log export, get our men and back to work!!!!!!!!

[stuphoto]

I love how not to long ago that same industry was calling it a completely renewable resource.
They were either lying then or now.

[buckland]

Gee, are we still being charged tariffs on lumber because of the so called subsidies canadian lumber industry is getting from the Government? If the industry is paying too much for stumpage, this should be brought up with the US to reverse the tariffs.

[Babba_not_Gump]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/265887/Fewer-trees-higher-costs

How many cu meters of wood are are shipped as raw logs? thousands with no benefit but stumpage fees paid the province. Stop ALL raw log export, get our men and back to work!!!!!!!!

Are you referring to mill shutdowns in the interior due to lack of timber?
If so, that has nothing to do with log exports, which almost always come from coastal timber.
Most, if not all interior mills that have permanently closed have done so due to a lack of timber. And that has been caused by the mountain pine beetle which has wiped out much of the lodgepole pine in BC.
Combine that with low lumber prices and the forest industry is in deep kaka.

[Glacier]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/265887/Fewer-trees-higher-costs

How many cu meters of wood are are shipped as raw logs? thousands with no benefit but stumpage fees paid the province. Stop ALL raw log export, get our men and back to work!!!!!!!!

I have a friend who has been working as a faller for years. For the first time he couldn't get full time work this summer. July was the rock bottom worst month of all where he worked a total of 8 days. Hard to pay the mortgage on that kind of work. It has picked up since then, back to mostly full time, but it's still pretty slow for people cutting down trees.

The truth is the BC Liberals were over-logging for years, and with the NDP breathing down their necks refused to cut back to sustainable levels. They couldn't afford to lose any votes.

[seewood]

Ok, here we go again for the umpteenth time.

There is NOT a shortage of logs on the Coast, where log exports originate from.
There IS a shortage of logs in the interior where log exports DO NOT originate from.
Logging operations are shutting down on the coast as the delivered log costs are more than what mills can pay and remain profitable with the current selling price of the final product.
Increased stumpage, carbon tax and double dipping msp premiums are included in those increased costs.
In the interior, log shortage is from the uplift in the various regions AAC because of the Mt Pine Beatle. Now the harvestible timber has been logged, AAC's have been adjusted downward as to keep the timber supply areas in a sustainable harvest rotation.

[rustled]

...In the interior, log shortage is from the uplift in the various regions AAC because of the Mt Pine Beatle.

I'm picturing tiny, environmentally destructive versions of John, Paul, George and Ringo ...

[Glacier]

How much do with the number of parks added (which takes land out of logging). The last time the NDP was in power the quadrupled the number of parks in the Chilcotin for example.

When he NDP came into power in the 1970s there was just a single park in the Chilcotin. When they left, the multiplied that by 4.

When the NDP came into power in the 1990s there were just 5 parks and preserves. When they left, they had multiplied that by 3.

[butcher99]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/265887/Fewer-trees-higher-costs

How many cu meters of wood are are shipped as raw logs? thousands with no benefit but stumpage fees paid the province. Stop ALL raw log export, get our men and back to work!!!!!!!!

It is not lack of logs right now as much as lack of markets. And due to the US duty on wood exports and the fight in court to get them overturned yet again, there is almost nothing the government (either) can do at this time.

[1791]

Chip it. Biomass fuel. Lots and lots of fuel. Sell it to Germany

[Glacier]

Rumour has it that the BC government be investing 69 million for forest worker support programs... because you may as well get 69 if you're getting screwed.

[butcher99]

How much do with the number of parks added (which takes land out of logging). The last time the NDP was in power the quadrupled the number of parks in the Chilcotin for example.

When he NDP came into power in the 1970s there was just a single park in the Chilcotin. When they left, the multiplied that by 4.

When the NDP came into power in the 1990s there were just 5 parks and preserves. When they left, they had multiplied that by 3.

Chilcotinparks.jpg

I like how you Trump like sharpied in all that area to make it look like it was all taken out of production. The things that reduced the lumber supply were over cutting and the Pine Beetle. However lack of timber is not the problem at the moment.
It is lack of market. Take a look at the stock pile of logs at the mill outside Armstrong. 30 feet high (at a guess) and who knows how long. Probably enough logs there to cut for months if not a single truck was to haul in.

[butcher99]

Ok, here we go again for the umpteenth time.

There is NOT a shortage of logs on the Coast, where log exports originate from.
There IS a shortage of logs in the interior where log exports DO NOT originate from.
Logging operations are shutting down on the coast as the delivered log costs are more than what mills can pay and remain profitable with the current selling price of the final product.
Increased stumpage, carbon tax and double dipping msp premiums are included in those increased costs.
In the interior, log shortage is from the uplift in the various regions AAC because of the Mt Pine Beatle. Now the harvestible timber has been logged, AAC's have been adjusted downward as to keep the timber supply areas in a sustainable harvest rotation.

The current problem is not a shortage of logs. It is a shortage of markets.

[motokelowna1]

Why not chip the wood that the Beatle has ravaged ??? Replant and yes stumpage fees way too much at least the govt is richer

[seewood]

The current problem is not a shortage of logs. It is a shortage of markets.

Wrong : mills are permanently shutting down because of a lack of suitable log supply.
Mills that are taking a curtailment for whatever length of time is because the current selling price of SPF lumber does not cover the cost of delivered logs and milling said logs.
There is a market in the States for our lumber but, as mentioned, the current commodity price of the lumber is to low.
It should be noted other provinces that sell into the States are not having curtailment shutdowns as those provinces adjust their stumpage rates on a shorter time table compared to BC. Also other provinces do not have double dipping msp premiums nor a carbon tax.