Mandatory Training for Truckers

[stuphoto]

That's only 84 hours a week plus 10 hours a week doctoring your log book.
You may make $60,000 a year less the $45,000 in fines.
What more could you want.

Don't forget, Canadians are Lazy if they turn down jobs like that.

[dirtybiker]

Many farm operations can have exemptions (or used to anyhow)
classified as "Farm Use Vehicle" that circumnavigates hours of
service regulations.

Best just be a family member as their is no Sh ts to be given,
and its more life given than ever to be living ones own.

Pretty much like any trucking job really.
Lifestyle choice, not just a job.

[stuphoto]

When some companies only have one drivers license number on file and all their employees using it I assume they are all family members.

[dreamon]

Rather than being ridiculously PC and woke, let's call it what it is.
Trucking has an apparent (I say apparent as I do not have stats) systemic safety issue that is more prevalent among certain groups.

CVCE and ICBC need to demographically profile the trucking industry issues (fraudulent licensing, poor training, accidents and incidents) and target enforcement accordingly.

ICBC does this for auto insurance. Boys/men pay than girls/women as those born with male genitalia, otherwise known as men are generally greater risk takers. In today's woke world, maybe getting a chopadicktomy lowers your ICBC premium

Would love to see the demographic stats for shoddy driving schools, fraudulent licensing, unsanitary cab conditions, spun out trucks from not chaining up, accidents, trailer fires (caused by using trailer service brakes to save tractor brakes (tractors often owner operator trailers someone elses) as they are descending in too high of gear).

Do your own basic demographic study (I have). When you see a semi wander from it's lane, descend a hill using brakes (shouldn't need to), smell of brakes but no brake lights (trailer brakes) yellow liquid filled milk jug get ejected, follow to close, rapidly come up behind another vehicle, look in the cab when you get a chance and see who is driving.

I recall Wally Oppal Ujjal Dosanjh calling out Indo-Canadians males as having a cultural problem when they had a rash of wife burnings and other violent happenings in the lower mainland for insolent behaviour. Sometimes certain demographic profiles need to be called out.
Catholic priests are another example of a demographic that has been called out for good reason.

[oldtrucker]

^^^ Good post.

unsanitary cab conditions,

Interesting that any other industry has regs to protect workers from other peoples bio hazards. The things I have seen in multi driver trucks is just disgusting. This industry needs to be exposed for its contradictions.... sets of rules for everyone- except those employed in the trucking industry where there are no rules on anything. It's like this because there are almost no females in the industry. Seems that in industries with no females, there are no safety rules enforced.
Pretty much every company with multi driver equipment could be called ' Filth on Wheels Transport'. I've had employers complain to me that I'm wasting their company time by cleaning surfaces in the cab that they think I should be touching without worrying about my health. How dare I wipe down the steering wheel , gearshift etc during a pandemic.

[stuphoto]

Not to mention the worst part.
Those beds they expect you to sleep in
I say You because I seem to have stepped away from that for now.

[oldtrucker]

McNasty
They sure don't pay us enough for that.

Things may be turning around in that regard for us.
We....us old guys that can do this job in our sleep look to be the last other than new Canadians, there are no more young guys coming into the industry.
Finding qualified drivers that can operate a 18 speed , multi combo vehicles, etc is getting rare. I was talking with a pump truck driver yesterday as well as the owner of a civil contracting company last week. Rates for us could be going up to over $35- $40/hr this year (just in time cuz I'm too old now). They can't find guys with experience anymore. The job....she don't pay enough, and is too tough for most young people to consider getting into. Pump truck dude is making $46 /hr now....holy bleep! He said just 5 years ago he couldn't even get a interview with Nav Mak for lousy by the mile hiway work. I worked 1 day for them years ago.....they ran me waayyy over hours on that day....I parked the truck at the brake check, called my friend to come pick me up, then called the company to let them know where they can find their truck and where to stick it when they do find it.

Let the games begin....I have never seen this much work in my life.
Got 5 years + experience? Your worth $100k yr now at 50 hours /wk

[Urban Cowboy]

Things may be turning around in that regard for us.
We....us old guys that can do this job in our sleep look to be the last other than new Canadians, there are no more young guys coming into the industry.
Finding qualified drivers that can operate a 18 speed , multi combo vehicles, etc is getting rare. I was talking with a pump truck driver yesterday as well as the owner of a civil contracting company last week. Rates for us could be going up to over $35- $40/hr this year (just in time cuz I'm too old now). They can't find guys with experience anymore. The job....she don't pay enough, and is too tough for most young people to consider getting into. Pump truck dude is making $46 /hr now....holy bleep! He said just 5 years ago he couldn't even get a interview with Nav Mak for lousy by the mile hiway work. I worked 1 day for them years ago.....they ran me waayyy over hours on that day....I parked the truck at the brake check, called my friend to come pick me up, then called the company to let them know where they can find their truck and where to stick it when they do find it.

Let the games begin....I have never seen this much work in my life.
Got 5 years + experience? Your worth $100k yr now at 50 hours /wk

Isn't a pump truck driver, being compared to a freight hauler, sort of apples to oranges comparison?

[oldtrucker]

^^^ Excellent question. Yes it is apples to oranges but still all fruit. Learning to operate a pump truck would be like a gravel dump truck driver switching over to a concrete mixer truck. They all have heavy diesel engines and a 13,15,or 18 speed transmission....the driver should be experienced enough to be able to jump machines no matter what make of truck it is. Learning the mixer, or the pump, or the etc etc is a matter of a few days of practice. Also they have to be physically fit enough to do the job with that specific equipment....for example a concrete mixer driver has to be strong enough to carry 100lbs + on a regular basis carrying concrete forms, chutes, etc... A off road dump truck or end dump driver has to be strong enough to throw heavy duty tire chains(not the light weight highway chains) that may outweigh the driver ( try that with a hernia repair).

[dreamon]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#342859

Trailer fire.jpg

How do you achieve this?
You don't use your tractor service brakes, or select correct gear and jake brake, instead you ride the trailer brakes down the hill.
Why? Because you own or lease the tractor, are responsible for the maintenance on same, or have a boss that directs you to do this, you have not been properly trained that you can in fact descend the hill with minimal service brake application (correct gear and jake), or want to save time by travelling faster than you would with correct gear.
The trailer is owned by someone else so you do not care about it.

The CVSE needs to out these drivers, charge them with dangerous driving, under the wildfire act as well and cancel their commercial license.
Their is zero excuse for these fires.

[dirtybiker]

Misses the possibility of having disk brakes on the newer tractor and
drum brakes on the older trailer.

Different forces of friction, different heat dissipation.
Great breaking force feel yet the drum system gets over-worked.

I've not heard of spiking the trailer to save tractor brakes for a few
decades. It "used" to be a thing though, before engine braking technology
advanced to present levels.

Agree, there is little excuse for such fires. That said; when one is pulling a different trailer
for every different load, saving precious driving hours from the task of live-loading,
you\re not always going to have a consistent mechanical system to work with.

Better training for truckers starts with better training for all aspects of road users as
they work their way up to the decision to become said trucker.

A dysfunctional system will only produce mediocre results.

[stuphoto]

i have run with disk / drum combo's without any issues, however i am usually light footed.
my favorite is of course disk all around.

the fellow i used to drive on the ice roads with always told me Brakes are Cheap. use them if I need them but never abuse them.

[stuphoto]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/34 ... ck-drivers

[oldtrucker]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Vernon/34 ... ck-drivers

They do address the working conditions in the article but I don't know how the extra training is going to reduce the hours worked in a day as that is one of the main contributors to accidents- the fatigue. I know that even after just one 12-14 hour Coq. rounder there is nothing left of me....just eyeballs and ring piece.

[stuphoto]

No doubt about that.

The rookies will still be forced to work for lousy companies telling them how to manipulate their logs.
And greedy drivers will continue doing it for the extra hundred dollars for at the end of the week.

Plus I don't think it will take long for some driving schools to guarantee a pass by hiring their own professional drivers to take the test.
I have heard they have been doing just that for years anyway.
That is always going to be a problem when an entire culture group all look alike to us.