Paid sick leave for employees in B.C.

[fluffy]

No it's your typical government dog lazy union job, we've done contract work for them many times because in a nutshell it's the only way the job will get done. I'm betting every single one of them use every sick day because it's use them or lose them, they can't bank them or get paid out so guess what happens 4day long weekends and great powder days

You're missing the distinction here. There is no such thing as a "lazy union", only lazy people.

[Boosted632]

No it's your typical government dog lazy union job, we've done contract work for them many times because in a nutshell it's the only way the job will get done. I'm betting every single one of them use every sick day because it's use them or lose them, they can't bank them or get paid out so guess what happens 4day long weekends and great powder days

You're missing the distinction here. There is no such thing as a "lazy union", only lazy people.

You're missing the distinction here there's plenty of lazy union jobs out there and most of them come with sick days and have no repercussions for using them when you're not sick. In this day and age where people don't want to work (cerb was a fine example of that) people will abuse this "privilege" end of story.

[fluffy]

But it's the people, not the union. Put the blame where the blame is due. All CBAs lay out what needs to be done to get rid of poor employees, is it the union's fault that the employer won't take a stand and follow the process ? Or is it that you have a low opinion of unions in general ?

[Boosted632]

But it's the people, not the union. Put the blame where the blame is due. All CBAs lay out what needs to be done to get rid of poor employees, is it the union's fault that the employer won't take a stand and follow the process ? Or is it that you have a low opinion of unions in general ?

I'm guessing you're a union employee so it makes no difference how I explain it to you, but yes it is the unions fault their primary purpose is protecting their members and by doing so it breeds lazy people who know the union has their back.

[fluffy]

I'm guessing you're a union employee so it makes no difference how I explain it to you, but yes it is the unions fault their primary purpose is protecting their members and by doing so it breeds lazy people who know the union has their back.

Horse hockey. You're painting with wide brush strokes base on personal prejudice. Yes I was a union worker for the last eight years until my retirement earlier this year. I have never made better money, never had a better benefit package, and never worked harder in my life. Pull your head out of government offices and get out into industrial settings where the real work happens.

[butcher99]

Omg, is the government considering this?

Employers have been nailed left, right and centre the past year or two.
Increases in minimum wages, covid restrictions, employee shortages (just pay them more. Eye roll), ever increasing taxes, etc.

A never-ending assault on businesses.

If everyone has to do it it is fair.

Everyone should have sick pay. No one should ever have to go to work sick because they cannot afford to stay home ill
As usual, the business doom and gloom will come to nothing. $600. a year more for minimum wage earners. Less than $2.50 a day per full time employee.
My argument is that it is a use it or lose it scenario. I think they should be banked and paid out. When I worked we had a half a day sick time per month. If we accumulated over 90 hours sick time every hour past that was paid out at year end. A great incentive to not phone in sick when you just want a day off.
And when I retired I got 150 hours of sick time paid out.
And the company did great. In fact still is doing great. They make tons of profit and are still expanding.

[butcher99]

But it's the people, not the union. Put the blame where the blame is due. All CBAs lay out what needs to be done to get rid of poor employees, is it the union's fault that the employer won't take a stand and follow the process ? Or is it that you have a low opinion of unions in general ?

I'm guessing you're a union employee so it makes no difference how I explain it to you, but yes it is the unions fault their primary purpose is protecting their members and by doing so it breeds lazy people who know the union has their back.

Hard for you people to understand, but union workers who are paid more actually per dollar output, at the end of the day cost the same as non-union employees.
Take a look at all those good paying union jobs that went away when the SoCreds privatized the highways. The cost for highway maintenance never went down. It actually went up marginally. Yes, some of the companies who took over are unionized.

Union jobs raise the bar for everyone. Even non-union employees.
The union does not protect lazy people. It only stops unjust firing. Huge difference. After all, if the company hires and maintains a "lazy" worker after their probation period, is it the unions fault? Every new employee has to go through a probation period in a union job. Ours was 60 days.

So union workers get more benefits including for most, sick time.

The extra $2.45 a day per employee this will cost McDonalds et al is nothing.

It is just criminal that it took a pandemic for governments in Canada to realize that sick pay is needed.

[butcher99]

But it's the people, not the union. Put the blame where the blame is due. All CBAs lay out what needs to be done to get rid of poor employees, is it the union's fault that the employer won't take a stand and follow the process ? Or is it that you have a low opinion of unions in general ?

I'm guessing you're a union employee so it makes no difference how I explain it to you, but yes it is the unions fault their primary purpose is protecting their members and by doing so it breeds lazy people who know the union has their back.

Maybe you should get yourself a union job and see how hard you are expected to work for the extra benefits. Output per dollar wage is something any union official will talk to you about.

[Sparki55]

Maybe you should get yourself a union job and see how hard you are expected to work for the extra benefits. Output per dollar wage is something any union official will talk to you about.

I've held a union job. Was almost beat up by 2 guys one time who said I was working too hard and was going to make them look bad.

People were untouchable. You'd have to be caught drunk, naked or not showing up at all to be fired.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Maybe you should get yourself a union job and see how hard you are expected to work for the extra benefits. Output per dollar wage is something any union official will talk to you about.

I've held a union job. Was almost beat up by 2 guys one time who said I was working too hard and was going to make them look bad.

People were untouchable. You'd have to be caught drunk, naked or not showing up at all to be fired.

Similar experience for me, a BCGEU job.
No incentive what so ever to work hard, as those that slacked off were paid the same as I was.

When it came time for shop stewards elections, verbal intimidation was rampant by those who wanted their friends elected.
Government work sites are not the LaLa land the advertising makes them out to be.

[butcher99]

Maybe you should get yourself a union job and see how hard you are expected to work for the extra benefits. Output per dollar wage is something any union official will talk to you about.

I've held a union job. Was almost beat up by 2 guys one time who said I was working too hard and was going to make them look bad.

People were untouchable. You'd have to be caught drunk, naked or not showing up at all to be fired.

bullcrap.

[Sparki55]

bullcrap.

What do I have to gain by lying?

Maybe you're the liar about the place you worked at?

Either way, I respected your post, you can choose to be ignorant if you please.

[ferri]

Don't start making this personal! Stay on topic.

[butcher99]

bullcrap.

What do I have to gain by lying?

Maybe you're the liar about the place you worked at?

Either way, I respected your post, you can choose to be ignorant if you please.

35 years. all in union shops. We all worked hard. I never saw anyone say anything about anyone working too hard or putting out too much. If anything it was the exact opposite. Sure there were slow workers and fast workers but NEVER was anyone told they worked too fast. EVER. in 35 years and at least a dozen different union shops.
It has been proven over the years that although union shops make more per hour they more than make up for it in output.
Here is a very good article on why that is true.
https://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/09/un ... fficiency/
And one of the number one things unions fight for? Sick pay for employees

[Sparki55]

35 years. all in union shops. We all worked hard. I never saw anyone say anything about anyone working too hard or putting out too much. If anything it was the exact opposite. Sure there were slow workers and fast workers but NEVER was anyone told they worked too fast. EVER. in 35 years and at least a dozen different union shops.
It has been proven over the years that although union shops make more per hour they more than make up for it in output.
Here is a very good article on why that is true.
https://crookedtimber.org/2008/05/09/un ... fficiency/
And one of the number one things unions fight for? Sick pay for employees

Bullcrap.