"Free" Contraception

[JayByrd]

what about women that can't go on the pill for medical reasons? devout catholics? oh ya, no kickbacks from trojanman...

Those individuals have the same access to contraception as anyone else. If you're looking for information on alternative contraception methods, this probably isn't the place, but I'd be happy to share some links to info if you DM me.

[butcher99]

The man makes the decision to not wear a condom. The man makes a decision to sleep with a woman. The woman agrees.

Women decide who they sleep with. Men do not.

Human males on planet earth do not decide. They may desire to mate, but they have no choice.

Laws are very clear about this. If a man wants to mate and a woman does not, that's called rape. Due to a male humans biology it is a very rare occurrence where a female can rape a man.

The male human sing songs, wear bright attractive clothes, perform feats of strength and has to pass various tests put out by the female human before mating occurs. Humans males have quite a colourful and exciting mating ritual! The human female chooses her mate and lays down with him if the male can convince the female they are a suitable mate.

Think of it like a job application.

The female is employer and the male is the canidate.

He is equally responsible.

The human male has no say whether the human female kills the offspring or not. If the human female decides to keep the offspring and reject the father, the father will be held responsible for this choice that the woman is making. That's not equality by any definition.

bull.
It takes two to tango. It is a mutual decision. The father also makes a decision or it is also rape.

[Mazdatruck]

bull.
It takes two to tango. It is a mutual decision. The father also makes a decision or it is also rape.

What is the female equivalent of the common sentiment : " You should have kept it in your pants!"

[Bsuds]

What is the female equivalent of the common sentiment : " You should have kept it in your pants!"

You should have kept your pants on!

[oldtrucker]

What is the equivent of "You should have kept it in your pants", for women?

Women on planet earth choose who they mate with. Women have all the control. Men compete to mate and women chose who they lay down with.

We hold men responsible for the choices that women ultimately make.

Agree. Except the part of who controls who I when it comes to mating. Just because a woman decides she wants to mate with me doesn't mean she is in control of anything.

[Mazdatruck]

You should have kept your pants on!

The words mean "Now you have to pay $$$ for your choices!"

Who is making a woman pay for her choices? Adoption / abandonment / poor choice of mate?

A woman can kill a baby, leave it on a doorstep or let the taxpayers raise it and the father is not even part of the conversation. There are no threats of loss of services, personal freedom, drivers license or decades of wage garnishment.

If a woman makes a poor choice nobody says "You should have kept your pants on" because there is no financial or social responsibility assigned to a woman's choices.

Why should a woman keep her pants on if there are no consequences for her choices?

That's why the words are never spoken.

Just because a woman decides she wants to mate with me doesn't mean she is in control of anything.

The human female decides who is having sex on planet earth.

The human male seeks permission from the female.

The laws and biology is quite clear.

[butcher99]

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Just because a woman decides she wants to mate with me doesn't mean she is in control of anything.

The human female decides who is having sex on planet earth.

The human male seeks permission from the female.

The laws and biology is quite clear.

What a pile of bull. Again, it take two to tangle. If you don't want the responsibility of having to pay for the mistake TWO of you make, don't get into bed with anyone.
If does not matter who seeks permission from whom. You both made a decision to go ahead. If you did not decide to go ahead with it it would be rape. But no, you decided to go ahead. Now you have to pay.

Yes, the laws are quite clear. If you were there for the consception you are there for the upkeep to raise the child. The biology is also quite clear. It takes two and you both have to decide to go through with the deed. Since you decided to go ahead with the deed, you are stuck with half the bills.
Your choice. Since you went ahead KNOWING the possible outcome you are equally responsible. Just because you cannot get pregnant has no bearing on anything.

[countmeout]

What a pile of bull. Again, it take two to tangle. If you don't want the responsibility of having to pay for the mistake TWO of you make, don't get into bed with anyone.
If does not matter who seeks permission from whom. You both made a decision to go ahead. If you did not decide to go ahead with it it would be rape. But no, you decided to go ahead. Now you have to pay.

Yes, the laws are quite clear. If you were there for the consception you are there for the upkeep to raise the child. The biology is also quite clear. It takes two and you both have to decide to go through with the deed. Since you decided to go ahead with the deed, you are stuck with half the bills.
Your choice. Since you went ahead KNOWING the possible outcome you are equally responsible. Just because you cannot get pregnant has no bearing on anything.

Men have to decide before sex happens, no matter how drunk or otherwise incapacitated at the time...

Women get to make a choice days or weeks later to terminate or keep. It's very one sided.

I know a couple who lived next to me when I was growing up, at 16 my old man finally told me why they have kids, 3 years when I was 19 they were divorced.

They married, he didn't want kids, she did. Was fine for about 4 years, then she decided she wants kids. The guy makes $120k+, she sell essential oils... She poked holes in all the condoms or found a used one and well I won't describe that here, you get the idea. He can't prove it, they have been married awhile.

They now have kids! Had a man poked holes in the condoms, the women could still abort.

Try and twist that to the man still has an equal say. I suppose he could have not had sex with his wife who he trusted at the time?

[butcher99]

Men have to decide before sex happens, no matter how drunk or otherwise incapacitated at the time...

Women get to make a choice days or weeks later to terminate or keep. It's very one sided.

I know a couple who lived next to me when I was growing up, at 16 my old man finally told me why they have kids, 3 years when I was 19 they were divorced.

They married, he didn't want kids, she did. Was fine for about 4 years, then she decided she wants kids. The guy makes $120k+, she sell essential oils... She poked holes in all the condoms or found a used one and well I won't describe that here, you get the idea. He can't prove it, they have been married awhile.

They now have kids! Had a man poked holes in the condoms, the women could still abort.

Try and twist that to the man still has an equal say. I suppose he could have not had sex with his wife who he trusted at the time?

You get someone pregnant that is on you. No one else. He could have worn a condom. No need to twist anything. You get someone pregnant you are on the hook.
People who are married 4 or 5 years don't use condoms. They use other forms of birth control. So I call bull on that fairy tale. That is also at least a second hand story.

[countmeout]

You get someone pregnant that is on you. No one else. He could have worn a condom. No need to twist anything. You get someone pregnant you are on the hook.
People who are married 4 or 5 years don't use condoms. They use other forms of birth control. So I call bull on that fairy tale. That is also at least a second hand story.

What other forms are available to a man except a vasectomy? Remember, she was keeping her options open for the chance he changed his mind, until she took matters into her own hands.

I know the story and could care less if you believe me if you're going to act like this.

Wish you could see the nightmare of my parents house now, she took his money an moved into her parents house after putting them in a home, my folks have the man on the right and the women 3 doors down the street. They fight constantly, using bylaw, even use my parents name to make complaints... It's embarrassing and annoying at the same time.

To not believe me, fine, but this happens. If you don't think it does you need to get out more lol.

[butcher99]

You get someone pregnant that is on you. No one else. He could have worn a condom. No need to twist anything. You get someone pregnant you are on the hook.
People who are married 4 or 5 years don't use condoms. They use other forms of birth control. So I call bull on that fairy tale. That is also at least a second hand story.

What other forms are available to a man except a vasectomy?

I know the story and could care less if you believe me if you're going to act like this.

Wish you could see the nightmare of my parents house now, she took his money an moved into her parents house after putting them in a home, my folks have the man on the right and the women 3 doors down the street.

You know the story because someone else told it to you. That is called hear say. And yes, if the man was positive he did not want kids ever he should have had a vasectomy. He is in a relationship. Someone got pregnant. He is half the equation he is responsible for his half.
Long term married people typically no longer use condoms. and have not for 50 years, Since he did not he now has kids. But he never left the marriage so it obviously was not a deal breaker. Shoulda got fixed. The chance of getting pregnant while wearing a condom is around 20%. that is 20 out of 100 people who ONLY use condoms will have a chance of getting pregnant. So the lady may have done nothing. Condoms are not 100% for sure. Only a vasectomy does that

[Mazdatruck]

Again, it take two to tangle. If you don't want the responsibility of having to pay for the mistake TWO of you make, don't get into bed with anyone.

The man is the only one being held financially responsible for the choice both parties made. The woman is absolved of all financial burdens if she chooses, there are no consequences if the woman decides to absolve herself. The woman is never trapped for her choices or "held responsible". We build drop off slot bins in hospitals where Mother's can just dump their unwanted kids.

I don't think anybody should be trapped. Do you?

[countmeout]

You know the story because someone else told it to you. That is called hear say. And yes, if the man was positive he did not want kids ever he should have had a vasectomy. He is in a relationship. Someone got pregnant. He is half the equation he is responsible for his half.
Long term married people typically no longer use condoms. and have not for 50 years, Since he did not he now has kids. But he never left the marriage so it obviously was not a deal breaker. Shoulda got fixed. The chance of getting pregnant while wearing a condom is around 20%. that is 20 out of 100 people who ONLY use condoms will have a chance of getting pregnant. So the lady may have done nothing. Condoms are not 100% for sure. Only a vasectomy does that

My dad has heard the story 1000 times from both EXs and while they were together, you missed the ex part, they are divorced in seperate homes on either side of my folks home. It's a crazy story.

Also, condoms are 98% effective lol.

[butcher99]

Again, it take two to tangle. If you don't want the responsibility of having to pay for the mistake TWO of you make, don't get into bed with anyone.

The man is the only one being held financially responsible for the choice both parties made. The woman is absolved of all financial burdens if she chooses, there are no consequences if the woman decides to absolve herself. The woman is never trapped for her choices or "held responsible". We build drop off slot bins in hospitals where Mother's can just dump their unwanted kids.

I don't think anybody should be trapped. Do you?

No one is trapped. The woman is also on the hook. The man does not pay the entire cost. It is split. You were there at the start so you are considered partially responsible.
The answer for you is obvious. You want to have sex but don't want to get a woman pregnant, have a vasectomy. I had mine 40 years ago. Basically painless. Usually. Problem solved. It is also reversable usually.

[butcher99]

You know the story because someone else told it to you. That is called hear say. And yes, if the man was positive he did not want kids ever he should have had a vasectomy. He is in a relationship. Someone got pregnant. He is half the equation he is responsible for his half.
Long term married people typically no longer use condoms. and have not for 50 years, Since he did not he now has kids. But he never left the marriage so it obviously was not a deal breaker. Shoulda got fixed. The chance of getting pregnant while wearing a condom is around 20%. that is 20 out of 100 people who ONLY use condoms will have a chance of getting pregnant. So the lady may have done nothing. Condoms are not 100% for sure. Only a vasectomy does that

My dad has heard the story 1000 times from both EXs and while they were together, you missed the ex part, they are divorced in seperate homes on either side of my folks home. It's a crazy story.

Also, condoms are 98% effective lol.

Depends on which stats you look at. The stat I looked up first said the figure I quoted. Planned parenthood says this. "in real life condoms are about 87% effective — that means about 13 out of 100 people who use condoms as their only birth control method will get pregnant each year."