Traffic Fines based on Income

[GordonH]

Apparently who don’t have to worry about demerit points having out of province tags.

Again, .. What does it have to do with some "out of province" thing? My understanding from the original post is that this is a BC based initiative, and for BC residents.

Since you have already said you are not a BC resident, why are you so interested.

[BC Landlord]

Since you have already said you are not a BC resident, why are you so interested.

It's because I live in BC, for most part of the year, pay property taxes here, so I feel entitled to it.
Where my D/L was issued, makes no difference.

[GordonH]

Since you have already said you are not a BC resident, why are you so interested.

It's just because I live in BC, for most part of the year, and I feel entitled to it.
Where my D/L was issued, makes no difference.

It does since traffic violations in BC rarely if ever find their way back to out of province drivers.

[BC Landlord]

It does since traffic violations in BC rarely if ever find their way back to out of province drivers.

Other than parking tickets (municipal thing), they actually do. I've got dinged by a couple of speeding tickets, while in BC. Make no mistake, they do come up at your registration renewal, no matter where in Canada.

Again, we are deviating from the topic. Traffic fines based on income are just a governments money grab, with a complete disregard of common sense and people's liberties. No other purpose to this.

[GordonH]

It does since traffic violations in BC rarely if ever find their way back to out of province drivers.

Other than parking tickets (municipal thing), they actually do. I've got dinged by a couple of speeding tickets, while in BC. Make no mistake, they do come up at your registration renewal, no matter where in Canada.

Again, we are deviating from the topic. Traffic fines based on income are just a governments money grab, with a complete disregard of common sense and people's liberties. No other purpose to this.

Well BC Landlord, chances are this will probably not make its way across the the pond from many European countries. So you can rest your worries about having your bank account drained.

btw my last traffic violation happened many decades ago, as twenty something I decided to be a careful driver. impo it’s a choice to be a better driver or poorer foolish driver.

[BC Landlord]

Well BC Landlord, chances are this will probably not make its way across the the pond from many European countries. So you can rest your worries about having your bank account drained.

It won't, for as long as there is still any common sense left here. And I'm sorry to say, it is dwindling.

[Silverstarqueen]

I think it's a great idea. Rich people have taken advantage and sometimes break the law knowing that they can just pay the ticket and feel no pain.

[BC Landlord]

I think it's a great idea. Rich people have taken advantage and sometimes break the law knowing that they can just pay the ticket and feel no pain.

Well, ... if rich people get penalized based on their T4, then it would also make sense to reward them more voting power in elections, based on the same principle. After all, they contribute much more to the society than a low-lifer on government's handouts. How about, up to $100k income gives you one vote, and thereafter every additional $200k gives you another one?

[spooker]

I think it's a great idea. Rich people have taken advantage and sometimes break the law knowing that they can just pay the ticket and feel no pain.

Well, ... if rich people get penalized based on their T4, then it would also make sense to reward them more voting power in elections, based on the same principle. After all, they contribute much more to the society than a low-lifer on government's handouts. How about, up to $100k income gives you one vote, and thereafter every additional $200k gives you another one?

Considering the lobbying efforts by those with money to help modify tax rules to allow them to keep said money I think they are being rewarded for voting already ... though considering how they have consistently been shown to pay a lower tax rate than someone who earns less money I'm not sure how they contribute so much more than someone else ...

[Jlabute]

I think it's a great idea. Rich people have taken advantage and sometimes break the law knowing that they can just pay the ticket and feel no pain.

Well, ... if rich people get penalized based on their T4, then it would also make sense to reward them more voting power in elections, based on the same principle. After all, they contribute much more to the society than a low-lifer on government's handouts. How about, up to $100k income gives you one vote, and thereafter every additional $200k gives you another one?

I wonder how the police will know anyone's income. I am not for the proliferation of CRA data to every level of government organization that asks for it. It makes anyone's identity that much less secure and open to abuse. People's income levels can also change on a monthly basis. People find work, and lose work. It unnecessarily complicates a working system, generates more revenue (no country ever goes back from more revenue), and doesn't fix anything. Someone who gets stopped for excessive speeding, or too many fines can still have their car impounded.

Another thing that bothers me is the 'well lets just try it out' attitude and all the invasive systems that need to be in place to 'just try it out'.

[BC Landlord]

I wonder how the police will know anyone's income. I am not for the proliferation of CRA data to every level of government organization that asks for it. It makes anyone's identity that much less secure and open to abuse. People's income levels can also change on a monthly basis. People find work, and lose work. It unnecessarily complicates a working system, generates more revenue (no country ever goes back from more revenue), and doesn't fix anything. Someone who gets stopped for excessive speeding, or too many fines can still have their car impounded.

Another thing that bothers me is the 'well lets just try it out' attitude and all the invasive systems that need to be in place to 'just try it out'.

"Social credit" system, that's how.

[spooker]

I wonder how the police will know anyone's income. I am not for the proliferation of CRA data to every level of government organization that asks for it. It makes anyone's identity that much less secure and open to abuse. People's income levels can also change on a monthly basis. People find work, and lose work. It unnecessarily complicates a working system, generates more revenue (no country ever goes back from more revenue), and doesn't fix anything. Someone who gets stopped for excessive speeding, or too many fines can still have their car impounded.

Another thing that bothers me is the 'well lets just try it out' attitude and all the invasive systems that need to be in place to 'just try it out'.

"Social credit" system, that's how.

Since the Socreds aren't in power anymore after losing to the NDP in 2017 so I'm not sure how this applies to the conversation ...

[BC Landlord]

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[ferri]

Traffic Fines based on Income

[my5cents]

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Another thing that bothers me is the 'well lets just try it out' attitude and all the invasive systems that need to be in place to 'just try it out'.

I agree with you Jlabute. Trial and error isn't the most reliable process to rectify a problem.

However, studies, with charts and graphs, meetings, commissions is a holding pattern when government really just wants photo ops and narratives saying "we've instituted a program of....."

We're seeing that with the opioid crisis. What kind of a moron thinks decriminalizing something without addressing the primary causes will solve a problem.

So as to not be off topic, perhaps another thread. "What changes will increase traffic safety", since we already know what won't.

An Australian company "Compare the Market" has studied driving throughout the world and has concluded the best drivers are in Japan. In a list of the top 10 countries with the best drivers, Canada doesn't show up. However in the list of the 10 worst drivers, Canada does. Canada is the 9th worst in the world. Not 9th down from the top (best), 9th up from the bottom (worst).