B.C.'s minimum wage to be increased to $16.75 per hour

[fluffy]

It's worth taking a wider view at this issue and looking at the ways economic inequality affects everyone, not just low income earners, even though it's low income earners who feel the effects most.

https://sevenpillarsinstitute.org/conse ... nequality/

[rustled]

The economy you grew up in doesn't exist anymore.

How so?

If I lost my job right now, I'd seriously consider moving to a different city to secure better employment. Why is moving not possible in "today's economy"?

Why is going back to school to further your education not possible in "today's economy"?

What I am hearing is a poor excuse due to a poor work ethic and/or overall laziness. There is nothing stopping anyone from packing up and moving to a different city, province, or even country if it puts them ahead in life.

People have always had to decide whether they're content with living on the lower rungs of what activists refer to as "income inequality" (in order to re-define it as a social problem the government must control), or want to make whatever changes are necessary to improve their financial situation.

It's NOT up to government to "make it easy" for unproductive people to do what they want to do at the expense of productive people, and activists clamoring for this are ignoring reality to support an ideology that is not in our best interests.

[countmeout]

It's NOT up to government to "make it easy" for unproductive people to do what they want to do at the expense of productive people, and activists clamoring for this are ignoring reality to support an ideology that is not in our best interests.

If it wasn't for other people to help them, many (if not most of us, me included if you take away grocery stores) would die.

Believing one is owed a wage that allows them to self-sustain themselves in a standalone unit by completing mindless, repetitive work that anyone can do with 1 hour of training is crazy.

For all those who believe society owes them something, have you ever tried to build something yourself? Those complaining the loudest typically don't care to learn how to rotate the tires on their car.

Life is tough, but it's much easier today than 500 years ago, many of those complaining the loudest today would have succumbed to their inabilities, they are fortunate to be born now where society helps everyone no matter what.

[rustled]

Life is tough, but it's much easier today than 500 years ago, many of those complaining the loudest today would have succumbed to their inabilities, they are fortunate to be born now where society helps everyone no matter what.

It seems to me the loudest complainers are actually the activists who've taken it upon themselves to convince everyone they are helping the helpless - while doing their best to convince everyone the people earning minimum wage are too helpless to achieve success without the activists' activism!

IMO, this is self-aggrandizement at the direct expense of those they proclaim to be helping.

[fluffy]

If I lost my job right now, I'd seriously consider moving to a different city to secure better employment. Why is moving not possible in "today's economy"?

It takes money. As does going back to school. The whole issue with minimum wage is that we are talking about people at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources.

[Patron]

If I lost my job right now, I'd seriously consider moving to a different city to secure better employment. Why is moving not possible in "today's economy"?

It takes money. As does going back to school. The whole issue with minimum wage is that we are talking about people at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources.

can't understand why some seem to think that moving is cheap, my BIL moved from Vernon to Penticton and the cost of the movers was $1500 that's going from a 3rd floor condo to a 2nd floor condo, also there's deposits and where is it dirt cheap to live in Canada anymore that offers decent healthcare and schooling if you have kids ?

[rustled]

It takes money. As does going back to school. The whole issue with minimum wage is that we are talking about people at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources.

can't understand why some seem to think that moving is cheap, my BIL moved from Vernon to Penticton and the cost of the movers was $1500 that's going from a 3rd floor condo to a 2nd floor condo, also there's deposits and where is it dirt cheap to live in Canada anymore that offers decent healthcare and schooling if you have kids ?

Lordy, lordy! fluffy's talking about people "at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources" - who tries to do that when they're first starting out in the workforce and have reason to be on minimum wage? If someone can do it, the more power to them! It's certainly NOT up to the rest of us to use our resources via government bureaucracy to ensure everyone who is just starting out in employment AFTER leaving the nest (the only legitimate reason to be trying to live on minimum wage) can live on what they're earning.

As for school, we already finance student loans and student housing, and this serves the real needs of people who make sensible choices.

It has ALWAYS cost money to move. It's up to us to decide whether or not we want to invest that money in our own futures, and how we want to do it.

Moving for a job can mean camp work, or moving from the most desirable cities in the province to ANY less desirable community.

Goodness, how much of a nanny state are people asking for?

[Patron]

can't understand why some seem to think that moving is cheap, my BIL moved from Vernon to Penticton and the cost of the movers was $1500 that's going from a 3rd floor condo to a 2nd floor condo, also there's deposits and where is it dirt cheap to live in Canada anymore that offers decent healthcare and schooling if you have kids ?

Lordy, lordy! fluffy's talking about people "at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources" - who tries to do that when they're first starting out in the workforce and have reason to be on minimum wage? If someone can do it, the more power to them! It's certainly NOT up to the rest of us to use our resources via government bureaucracy to ensure everyone who is just starting out in employment AFTER leaving the nest (the only legitimate reason to be trying to live on minimum wage) can live on what they're earning.

As for school, we already finance student loans and student housing, and this serves the real needs of people who make sensible choices.

It has ALWAYS cost money to move. It's up to us to decide whether or not we want to invest that money in our own futures, and how we want to do it.

Moving for a job can mean camp work, or moving from the most desirable cities in the province to ANY less desirable community.

Goodness, how much of a nanny state are people asking for?

this of course is correct if your young but if your a senior who's working a min wage job to supplement your income, then no wish people would really start looking at the people working at these low income jobs not all of them are teenagers or students ( who can't work during school hrs) the Walmart here in W Kelowna has many senior cashiers at the till and stocking shelves etc

[Nedroj]

Lordy, lordy! fluffy's talking about people "at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources" - who tries to do that when they're first starting out in the workforce and have reason to be on minimum wage? If someone can do it, the more power to them! It's certainly NOT up to the rest of us to use our resources via government bureaucracy to ensure everyone who is just starting out in employment AFTER leaving the nest (the only legitimate reason to be trying to live on minimum wage) can live on what they're earning.

As for school, we already finance student loans and student housing, and this serves the real needs of people who make sensible choices.

It has ALWAYS cost money to move. It's up to us to decide whether or not we want to invest that money in our own futures, and how we want to do it.

Moving for a job can mean camp work, or moving from the most desirable cities in the province to ANY less desirable community.

Goodness, how much of a nanny state are people asking for?

this of course is correct if your young but if your a senior who's working a min wage job to supplement your income, then no wish people would really start looking at the people working at these low income jobs not all of them are teenagers or students ( who can't work during school hrs) the Walmart here in W Kelowna has many senior cashiers at the till and stocking shelves etc

Seniors should have been saving for their retirement so they don't have to work to supplement their income.

I mean I was taught that in highschool over 20+ years ago. RRSP, Savings account etc etc.
Unfortunately, I am in the generation that will never see a dime from CPP by the time I retire so I have to save for it.

So again how much of a nanny state do you really want? and are you prepared for the ramifications of living in one?

[Nedroj]

It takes money. As does going back to school. The whole issue with minimum wage is that we are talking about people at the end of the earning spectrum where simply keeping a roof over your head and some food on the table soaks up all their resources.

can't understand why some seem to think that moving is cheap, my BIL moved from Vernon to Penticton and the cost of the movers was $1500 that's going from a 3rd floor condo to a 2nd floor condo, also there's deposits and where is it dirt cheap to live in Canada anymore that offers decent healthcare and schooling if you have kids ?

I have never hired anyone to help me move. And I have moved a lot. roughly 10 times in the last ten years. All I needed was my truck and a buddy, a bunch of gas, and some pizza.

As far as where in Canada offers decent healthcare and Schooling, I would respond with everywhere. Every city has these basic needs in Canada. You want somewhere cheap to live. Red Deer Alberta. Newer 2,400 sqft homes for 500,000 or less. Dont like Alberta well then Prince George has some decent homes for under 500K. And it gets cheaper the more north you go.

See again, you are just making up excuses as to why some people are in their current situation and can't get out. They cant get out because they are not willing to get themselves out.

[Babba_not_Gump]

Nanny state indeed. That seems to be what some on here want.

I lost a well paying job at 55. We still had a mortgage and were in no shape to move, unemployment was high and prospects for a similar job were non-existent.

So with no other options I had no choice but to take on a labour intensive job with a low hourly rate. My wife, whose health was not good took a job as a cashier, minimum wage and graveyard shifts.

It was tough but we managed to keep the wolves from the door and eventually came up on top. That's the way we were raised. It doesn't seem to the way some of you on here are wired.

You do what you have to to survive

[Patron]

this of course is correct if your young but if your a senior who's working a min wage job to supplement your income, then no wish people would really start looking at the people working at these low income jobs not all of them are teenagers or students ( who can't work during school hrs) the Walmart here in W Kelowna has many senior cashiers at the till and stocking shelves etc

Seniors should have been saving for their retirement so they don't have to work to supplement their income.

I mean I was taught that in highschool over 20+ years ago. RRSP, Savings account etc etc.
Unfortunately, I am in the generation that will never see a dime from CPP by the time I retire so I have to save for it.

So again how much of a nanny state do you really want? and are you prepared for the ramifications of living in one?

not going to disagree with you, but life has very many different variables and all it takes is a long illness or a physical injury and one day your on top and the next your at the bottom...if you got cancer tomorrow do you have enough $$ saved up so your Family can still live decently if you died ? and please don't think this doesn't happen because it does, sometimes we have no control over our Health and it does not matter what age you are

[Patron]

Nanny state indeed. That seems to be what some on here want.

I lost a well paying job at 55. We still had a mortgage and were in no shape to move, unemployment was high and prospects for a similar job were non-existent.

So with no other options I had no choice but to take on a labour intensive job with a low hourly rate. My wife, whose health was not good took a job as a cashier, minimum wage and graveyard shifts.

It was tough but we managed to keep the wolves from the door and eventually came up on top. That's the way we were raised. It doesn't seem to the way some of you on here are wired.

You do what you have to to survive

your wife took a min wage job to help out and she's a rock star for doing what she had to do just proves my point that it is not only teenagers/students who work these positions

[Urban Cowboy]

Seniors should have been saving for their retirement so they don't have to work to supplement their income.

I mean I was taught that in highschool over 20+ years ago. RRSP, Savings account etc etc.
Unfortunately, I am in the generation that will never see a dime from CPP by the time I retire so I have to save for it.

So again how much of a nanny state do you really want? and are you prepared for the ramifications of living in one?

not going to disagree with you, but life has very many different variables and all it takes is a long illness or a physical injury and one day your on top and the next your at the bottom...if you got cancer tomorrow do you have enough $$ saved up so your Family can still live decently if you died ? and please don't think this doesn't happen because it does, sometimes we have no control over our Health and it does not matter what age you are

[rustled]

Nanny state indeed. That seems to be what some on here want.

I lost a well paying job at 55. We still had a mortgage and were in no shape to move, unemployment was high and prospects for a similar job were non-existent.

So with no other options I had no choice but to take on a labour intensive job with a low hourly rate. My wife, whose health was not good took a job as a cashier, minimum wage and graveyard shifts.

It was tough but we managed to keep the wolves from the door and eventually came up on top. That's the way we were raised. It doesn't seem to the way some of you on here are wired.

You do what you have to to survive

your wife took a min wage job to help out and she's a rock star for doing what she had to do just proves my point that it is not only teenagers/students who work these positions

That's not "rock star" stuff, though - that's the whole point! It's simply continuing doing what we have to do when life throws us ugly curveballs, or our own choices didn't work out as planned.

We suck it up and do what needs to be done, just as every previous generation has had to do.

Seems to me the only thing different today is how many people expect a smoother ride cradle-to-grave and want the government to help out whenever they're faced with what used to be considered the sort of unfortunate but not impossible-to-overcome obstacle many of us have had to deal with.

Life isn't fair, and no amount of government hand-holding will change that. The government hand-holding people seem to want from the nanny state their asking for will just suck resources from the system and drag everyone down.