B.C.'s minimum wage to be increased to $16.75 per hour

[Nedroj]

Seniors should have been saving for their retirement so they don't have to work to supplement their income.

I mean I was taught that in highschool over 20+ years ago. RRSP, Savings account etc etc.
Unfortunately, I am in the generation that will never see a dime from CPP by the time I retire so I have to save for it.

So again how much of a nanny state do you really want? and are you prepared for the ramifications of living in one?

not going to disagree with you, but life has very many different variables and all it takes is a long illness or a physical injury and one day your on top and the next your at the bottom...if you got cancer tomorrow do you have enough $$ saved up so your Family can still live decently if you died ? and please don't think this doesn't happen because it does, sometimes we have no control over our Health and it does not matter what age you are

This is true. But we have contingencies for these types of unexpected expenses. Both my Wife and I have Short and long-term disability coverage, along with accidental death or dismemberment insurance policies.

Then there's GoFundMe, various church charities, family, etc etc.

All I'm saying is unforeseen circumstances aside, both of my high school drop-out parents who have never made more than 50k a year, were still able to provide for my brothers and me through sacrifice and hard work. We never had a computer growing up, we never had a second car, we didnt take vacations to Mexico, and we didnt eat out often. We moved where there was work, we took care of the homes we lived in often completing renos on them and both my parents did side jobs for friends and family to earn some extra cash.

The other aspect that was not talked about is how people manage their money which plays a big part in this discussion.

If you look up all the lottery winners you will see a very alarming trend. Most are broke less than 5 years after winning enough to never have to work again.

It doesn't matter how much money you give someone if they can't manage it properly it will never be enough.

[Nedroj]

your wife took a min wage job to help out and she's a rock star for doing what she had to do just proves my point that it is not only teenagers/students who work these positions

That's not "rock star" stuff, though - that's the whole point! It's simply continuing doing what we have to do when life throws us ugly curveballs, or our own choices didn't work out as planned.

We suck it up and do what needs to be done, just as every previous generation has had to do.

Seems to me the only thing different today is how many people expect a smoother ride cradle-to-grave and want the government to help out whenever they're faced with what used to be considered the sort of unfortunate but not impossible-to-overcome obstacle many of us have had to deal with.

Life isn't fair, and no amount of government hand-holding will change that. The government hand-holding people seem to want from the nanny state their asking for will just suck resources from the system and drag everyone down.

Exactly. My dad lost his job during the early 80's recession, so you know what he did? Sharpened the chainsaw and his axe and he cut and sold firewood. My mom, pregnant with my younger brother would help him when she could. This is what they had to do to survive as there weren't the social safety nets there are now. And welfare wasn't something an able body Man would apply for either in those times. Criticize the Boomer generation all you want, but they have a work ethic that is going the way of the Dino

[Patron]

your wife took a min wage job to help out and she's a rock star for doing what she had to do just proves my point that it is not only teenagers/students who work these positions

That's not "rock star" stuff, though - that's the whole point! It's simply continuing doing what we have to do when life throws us ugly curveballs, or our own choices didn't work out as planned.

We suck it up and do what needs to be done, just as every previous generation has had to do.

Seems to me the only thing different today is how many people expect a smoother ride cradle-to-grave and want the government to help out whenever they're faced with what used to be considered the sort of unfortunate but not impossible-to-overcome obstacle many of us have had to deal with.

Life isn't fair, and no amount of government hand-holding will change that. The government hand-holding people seem to want from the nanny state their asking for will just suck resources from the system and drag everyone down.

well to me that's a rock star move, a woman in her mid 50's having to go back to work but she could find a min wage job and that min wage job at least offers enough so she could help her family out. And it also proves my point that min wage jobs are not only for teenagers/students

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That's not "rock star" stuff, though - that's the whole point! It's simply continuing doing what we have to do when life throws us ugly curveballs, or our own choices didn't work out as planned.

We suck it up and do what needs to be done, just as every previous generation has had to do.

Seems to me the only thing different today is how many people expect a smoother ride cradle-to-grave and want the government to help out whenever they're faced with what used to be considered the sort of unfortunate but not impossible-to-overcome obstacle many of us have had to deal with.

Life isn't fair, and no amount of government hand-holding will change that. The government hand-holding people seem to want from the nanny state their asking for will just suck resources from the system and drag everyone down.

well to me that's a rock star move, a woman in her mid 50's having to go back to work but she could find a min wage job and that min wage job at least offers enough so she could help her family out. And it also proves my point that min wage jobs are not only for teenagers/students

Pretty condescending, IMO, to suggest a woman in her mid 50's going to work is a "rock star" move!

Yes, an adult taking on a minimum wage job can "help her family out".

But what on earth would make anyone assume anyone returning to work "to help the family out" could only find a minimum wage job, and would stay at minimum wage if they genuinely needed more for their family to live on?

IMO, you've pretty much proven the minimum wage jobs are NOT for living on. They're for teenagers, students, and folk who want to supplement the family income without taking on much responsibility.

[Patron]

well to me that's a rock star move, a woman in her mid 50's having to go back to work but she could find a min wage job and that min wage job at least offers enough so she could help her family out. And it also proves my point that min wage jobs are not only for teenagers/students

Pretty condescending, IMO, to suggest a woman in her mid 50's going to work is a "rock star" move!

Yes, an adult taking on a minimum wage job can "help her family out".

But what on earth would make anyone assume anyone returning to work "to help the family out" could only find a minimum wage job, and would stay at minimum wage if they genuinely needed more for their family to live on?

IMO, you've pretty much proven the minimum wage jobs are NOT for living on. They're for teenagers, students, and folk who want to supplement the family income without taking on much responsibility.

well I wasn't being condescending, and you're making this personal with that comment

most min wage jobs are usually offered by large corporations so you obviously think profit before people and I don't

[rustled]

Pretty condescending, IMO, to suggest a woman in her mid 50's going to work is a "rock star" move!

Yes, an adult taking on a minimum wage job can "help her family out".

But what on earth would make anyone assume anyone returning to work "to help the family out" could only find a minimum wage job, and would stay at minimum wage if they genuinely needed more for their family to live on?

IMO, you've pretty much proven the minimum wage jobs are NOT for living on. They're for teenagers, students, and folk who want to supplement the family income without taking on much responsibility.

well I wasn't being condescending, and you're making this personal with that comment

I didn't take it personally, though. Perhaps you're able to explain how it really is more special for a woman in her mid-fifties to take a job for the family than it would be for any other adult to take a job, show there was a logical reason for suggesting it's really special and not just the ordinary behaviour of any responsible adult.

most min wage jobs are usually offered by large corporations so you obviously think profit before people and I don't

Now that's making it personal ;)

Regardless, in reality people take minimum wage jobs for a plethora of practical reasons. Whether or not these jobs are offered by "corporations" doesn't change any of those practical realities, and taking a minimum wage job is a choice plenty of folk make for their own reasons.

[Patron]

well I wasn't being condescending, and you're making this personal with that comment

I didn't take it personally, though. Perhaps you're able to explain how it really is more special for a woman in her mid-fifties to take a job for the family than it would be for any other adult to take a job, show there was a logical reason for suggesting it's really special.

most min wage jobs are usually offered by large corporations so you obviously think profit before people and I don't

Now that's making it personal ;)

Regardless, in reality people take minimum wage jobs for a plethora of practical reasons. Whether or not these jobs are offered by "corporations" doesn't change any of those practical realities, and taking a minimum wage job is a choice plenty of folk make for their own reasons.

good lord, I guess I should have said a middle aged person

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I didn't take it personally, though. Perhaps you're able to explain how it really is more special for a woman in her mid-fifties to take a job for the family than it would be for any other adult to take a job, show there was a logical reason for suggesting it's really special.




Now that's making it personal ;)

Regardless, in reality people take minimum wage jobs for a plethora of practical reasons. Whether or not these jobs are offered by "corporations" doesn't change any of those practical realities, and taking a minimum wage job is a choice plenty of folk make for their own reasons.

good lord, I guess I should have said a middle aged person

Ah, but it's really not "rock star" for ANY middle aged (or older!) person to take a job when the family finances are strained. This is ordinary, responsible, adult behaviour - not "rock star" at all.

[Patron]

good lord, I guess I should have said a middle aged person

Ah, but it's really not "rock star" for ANY middle aged (or older!) person to take a job when the family finances are strained. This is ordinary, responsible, adult behaviour - not "rock star" at all.

maybe I should just delete my comment ? would that make you feel better

[rustled]

Ah, but it's really not "rock star" for ANY middle aged (or older!) person to take a job when the family finances are strained. This is ordinary, responsible, adult behaviour - not "rock star" at all.

maybe I should just delete my comment ? would that make you feel better

LOL. No feelings were injured, and IMO that comment actually helps all of us see the illogic of suggestions our minimum wage should be higher so people can live on it, and the illogic of believing it's up to the government to protect all of us from what adults once understood to be their own responsibilities.

Instead of deleting it (or talking about anyone's "feelings"), let's discuss where the thinking behind these beliefs about minimum wage comes from. How the thought process gets from minimum wage being a starting wage (or an extra wage for those who want it temporarily), to minimum wage being something people can live on indefinitely.

[Patron]

maybe I should just delete my comment ? would that make you feel better

LOL. No feelings were injured, and IMO that comment actually helps all of us see the illogic of suggestions our minimum wage should be higher so people can live on it, and the illogic of believing it's up to the government to protect all of us from what adults once understood to be their own responsibilities.

Instead of deleting it (or talking about anyone's "feelings"), let's discuss where the thinking behind these beliefs about minimum wage comes from. How the thought process gets from minimum wage being a starting wage (or an extra wage for those who want it temporarily), to minimum wage being something people can live on indefinitely.

glad we can laugh about this

anyways there always has to be a starting wage and that starting wage has to increase with the economy and the cost of living, it's the right thing to do. And there are people who do actually live on these min wage jobs because maybe that's all they can do physically or mentally

it truly doesn't hurt us consumers as much as some Business Owners and people think, prices will always rise for one reason or another which is usually for profit first and I ain't crying that some big corp has to pay a decent starting wage and have to increase it when the economy and cost of living changes and I really doubt that if this wasn't mandated that some Businesses would be quite happy paying a pittance to the employees that actually makes their Businesses run.

[rustled]

LOL. No feelings were injured, and IMO that comment actually helps all of us see the illogic of suggestions our minimum wage should be higher so people can live on it, and the illogic of believing it's up to the government to protect all of us from what adults once understood to be their own responsibilities.

Instead of deleting it (or talking about anyone's "feelings"), let's discuss where the thinking behind these beliefs about minimum wage comes from. How the thought process gets from minimum wage being a starting wage (or an extra wage for those who want it temporarily), to minimum wage being something people can live on indefinitely.

glad we can laugh about this

anyways there always has to be a starting wage and that starting wage has to increase with the economy and the cost of living, it's the right thing to do.

Sure. I don't think I've ever heard anyone disagree with that, or try to insist the minimum wage should never go up.

And there are people who do actually live on these min wage jobs because maybe that's all they can do physically or mentally

That's another fallacious argument, though. While many people start on minimum wage, the vast majority would not stay at no more than minimum wage for years (the same wage being paid to each new hire with no experience).

Also, those with mental and physical disabilities who have limited job options (and still get raises at work) do have access to other forms of assistance, and are not relying exclusively on the take-home pay from a minimum wage job. In BC, the assistance is quite fair.

it truly doesn't hurt us consumers as much as some Business Owners and people think, prices will always rise for one reason or another which is usually for profit first and I ain't crying that some big corp has to pay a decent starting wage and have to increase it when the economy and cost of living changes and I really doubt that if this wasn't mandated that some Businesses would be quite happy paying a pittance to the employees that actually makes their Businesses run.

Ah. There's ^^the meat of it, complete with vague references and emotional language.

This is typical "corporation bad, government good" thinking, the dogma serving the narrative of oppression, promoted by people who seem to genuinely believe all businesses are run by people stupid enough to take the risk of "paying a pittance" if they weren't mandated by the government to pay more.

This is the muddled thinking that leads to the misguided notion the government is the good guy, ergo having the government take care of more and more of us is in our best interests - regardless of reality. In reality, bloated government and intrusive government control over the means of production has never been in our best interests.

How much of a nanny state do we want? Bear in mind the higher costs to us of any nanny state.