Climate change making incoming B.C. heat up to 5 times more likely: scientists

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Bsuds wrote: May 14th, 2023, 7:58 am "There is no evidence that Plymouth Rock was originally found at sea level. Experts say it is not a useful landmark for measuring sea level changes. Also, global sea levels are rising at an increasing rate. Hence, we have marked this claim false."

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"Regardless, the rock has not been "in the exact same spot" since that time, she told USA TODAY. It has been broken and moved.

The top part of the rock was broken off in 1774 and put on display in the town square and then outside Pilgrim Hall Museum. That piece wasn't reunited with the base of the rock until 1880. Both pieces were moved to their current location when the Plymouth waterfront was renovated in 1920, Curtin said."

So it's not even in it's original location!
Sea level rise is complicated. There have been various means to measure sea level and newer satellites do a more accurate job of it on a global scale. There are tides, waves, and changes in land level, and changes in equipment. During the period of satellite, the increase in sea level has been linear for over 20 years.

Even global average temperate is not accelerating. Decades have shown this to be about 0.14c/decade. The last few years have been 0.13c/decade. The rate of change has slowed. This is just data. There is no ‘acceleration’ of anything, other than CO2 emissions and that had made no difference.
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Gone_Fishin wrote: May 14th, 2023, 7:22 am
JLives wrote: May 13th, 2023, 8:33 pm Well the people who do the science part say it's happening and they actually know what they're talking about. Yes. Our activities are accelerating climate change at a rate we can't keep up with.
Please tell us what effect extermination of all humans and human activities would have on global temperatures.

Just the number, please. Use your science.
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Jlabute wrote: May 14th, 2023, 8:41 am
Bsuds wrote: May 14th, 2023, 7:58 am "There is no evidence that Plymouth Rock was originally found at sea level. Experts say it is not a useful landmark for measuring sea level changes. Also, global sea levels are rising at an increasing rate. Hence, we have marked this claim false."

Also

"Regardless, the rock has not been "in the exact same spot" since that time, she told USA TODAY. It has been broken and moved.

The top part of the rock was broken off in 1774 and put on display in the town square and then outside Pilgrim Hall Museum. That piece wasn't reunited with the base of the rock until 1880. Both pieces were moved to their current location when the Plymouth waterfront was renovated in 1920, Curtin said."

So it's not even in it's original location!
Sea level rise is complicated. There have been various means to measure sea level and newer satellites do a more accurate job of it on a global scale. There are tides, waves, and changes in land level, and changes in equipment. During the period of satellite, the increase in sea level has been linear for over 20 years.

Even global average temperate is not accelerating. Decades have shown this to be about 0.14c/decade. The last few years have been 0.13c/decade. The rate of change has slowed. This is just data. There is no ‘acceleration’ of anything, other than CO2 emissions and that had made no difference.
Dude. Publish your studies or it doesn't mean jack squat.
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JLives wrote: May 14th, 2023, 9:11 am
Gone_Fishin wrote: May 14th, 2023, 7:22 am

Please tell us what effect extermination of all humans and human activities would have on global temperatures.

Just the number, please. Use your science.
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Yeah, I'm such an idiot thinking you have the answer to my question, despite your proclamation.

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So, CO2 makes up 0.04% of our atmosphere.

Pray tell, how does a logical mind see any CO2 bump or decrease as a significant atmospheric change, and affecting global temperatures?
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Jlabute wrote: May 14th, 2023, 8:41 am
Bsuds wrote: May 14th, 2023, 7:58 am
So it's not even in it's original location!
Sea level rise is complicated.
My point wasn't arguing the Sea levels but pointing out that using Plymouth Rock was a false indicator.

It's obvious to me that if the Glaciers and Polar caps are melting the water has to go somewhere so Sea levels rising is kind of a Duh, Ya moment

Whether or not Humanity is causing it I am rather doubtful as it has been happening for millions of years before we got here.
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Mark5 wrote: May 13th, 2023, 7:43 pm
Urban Cowboy wrote: May 13th, 2023, 1:45 pm ^^ What purpose exactly does quoting a long post serve when you don't add anything to it? :135:
I did but I guess it did not go through.
Okay that makes sense I guess.

I was mostly curious because I've seen this happen before, and was beginning to wonder if I was missing something.
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JLives wrote: May 13th, 2023, 8:33 pm

Well the people who do the science part say it's happening
Well, in this case, it wasn't "the people who do the science part" at all. The person make these insane and totally unsubstanitated claims is a part of this group:
“This is what climate change looks like — these kinds of unusual conditions early in the season, popping up suddenly like,” said Andrew Pershing, director of climate science at the U.S. research group Climate Central.
And what does "Climate Central" do?
Climate Central has developed several high-impact major initiatives. We created Climate Matters to bring climate change into weathercasts via local voices highly trusted by Americans everywhere: TV meteorologists. In the program’s first year, we placed our content in about 50 segments; in its tenth, that number exceeded 5,000. Climate Central’s research, tools, and visuals on sea level rise have repeatedly achieved widespread global distribution and are used by millions. And Climate Central’s work developing and communicating the rapid scientific attribution of extreme weather events to climate change has accelerated a critical shift in the narrative. You can legitimately quantify the link between many individual events and climate change, and the media, leaders, and the public increasingly recognize this.
In other words, they are a propaganda organization, whose main goal is to inject as much fear about the man-made climate change myth as possible into news stories about the weather. When you read a weather story, like for instance, the CBC's idiotic report about the possible "heat dome" in BC right now that isn't a heat dome, these clowns ensure that their propaganda is inserted. Which is exactly what they did with this foolish story about "BC heating up 5x faster". It's not. It's crap. Invented by the people at "Climate Central" and inserted into articles.

But of course, no matter how crazy or insanely stupid the claim, you can always count on the trained climate change seals to not only clap along, but engage in parroting the lie to perpetuate the myth. It's total crap.
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Mark5 wrote: May 13th, 2023, 11:01 am Red this article today on Castanet. "https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/426594 ... scientists"

I've just read this article. It's complete fear mongering with absolutely no data provided. It says 5 times more likely but does not actually tells is what variable is going to be 5 times more likely.

This is by design, to create sensationalism through confusion, and thus clicks. Note that this is an opinion, and not a fact.

But I will present some facts for you because apocalyptic claims should always be fact checked.

Let's start by assuming that temperatures experienced yesterday will be 5 times more likely. For Kamloops that's 33 degrees.

Here is a graph showing all 33 days in April and May since 1897. There is NO trend upwards at all!
33degreedayskamloops.png
Now let's do the same for 35 degree days because the temperature could reach 35 degrees later this week. This is a rare event, but still no trend upwards. Climate alarmist article debunked!
35degreedayskamloops.png
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Glacier wrote: May 15th, 2023, 10:42 am

I've just read this article. It's complete fear mongering with absolutely no data provided. It says 5 times more likely but does not actually tells is what variable is going to be 5 times more likely.

This is by design, to create sensationalism through confusion, and thus clicks. Note that this is an opinion, and not a fact.

What I find hilarious though is that even though this "information" was not provided by any "credible" climate scientist, but instead a propaganda organization, and zero links were provided to any peer reviewed studies, it was immediately gobbled up and swallowed as "truth" by certain individuals here who are always willing, immediately, to believe anything, as long as it is alarmist apocalyptic nonsense, and always with the same defense "scientists are saying this is happening" when in fact no scientist is saying that it is happening. Why are some people so freaking gullible???

And why are lies like the ones appearing in this article, planted there by an alarmist propagandist organization, allowed to be put in print? Who is regulating this horrible disinformation??
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I love how every story has a great big title and then they even mention scientists say but they can't be bothered to tell us the names of the scientists that signed off on that. Of course not.
We all know the number of scientists that they say believe in human caused global warming and not the other thousand of factors have been inflated and there's no definitive list because any scientists worth their weight in salt knows there are too many variables out of our control that computer programs cannot take into account.
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common_sense_guy wrote: May 15th, 2023, 4:10 pm I love how every story has a great big title and then they even mention scientists say but they can't be bothered to tell us the names of the scientists that signed off on that. Of course not.
We all know the number of scientists that they say believe in human caused global warming and not the other thousand of factors have been inflated and there's no definitive list because any scientists worth their weight in salt knows there are too many variables out of our control that computer programs cannot take into account.
It's Preparing People for a new round of taxes and more loss of freedoms for something that is 95% out of our control unless we wanted to go back to the Dark Ages and nobody's going for that. That would mean no air travel and holidays for all you people or no more space flight.
In a nutshell you’ve described exactly the situation.

Should there be no ‘crises’ or ‘impending catastrophe’ on the horizon, the govt will find (manufacture) one so they can tax you to death trying to revert a scenario that just isn't happening.

Ever notice that there is never good news so as to ease up on taxation?
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common_sense_guy wrote: May 15th, 2023, 4:10 pm I love how every story has a great big title and then they even mention scientists say but they can't be bothered to tell us the names of the scientists that signed off on that. Of course not.
We all know the number of scientists that they say believe in human caused global warming and not the other thousand of factors have been inflated and there's no definitive list because any scientists worth their weight in salt knows there are too many variables out of our control that computer programs cannot take into account.
It's Preparing People for a new round of taxes and more loss of freedoms for something that is 95% out of our control unless we wanted to go back to the Dark Ages and nobody's going for that. That would mean no air travel and holidays for all you people or no more space flight.
Well you could just read the actual studies instead of headlines. Maybe you'd learn something. Like what they say and who wrote them.
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Catsumi wrote: May 15th, 2023, 6:43 pm
common_sense_guy wrote: May 15th, 2023, 4:10 pm I love how every story has a great big title and then they even mention scientists say but they can't be bothered to tell us the names of the scientists that signed off on that. Of course not.
We all know the number of scientists that they say believe in human caused global warming and not the other thousand of factors have been inflated and there's no definitive list because any scientists worth their weight in salt knows there are too many variables out of our control that computer programs cannot take into account.
It's Preparing People for a new round of taxes and more loss of freedoms for something that is 95% out of our control unless we wanted to go back to the Dark Ages and nobody's going for that. That would mean no air travel and holidays for all you people or no more space flight.
In a nutshell you’ve described exactly the situation.

Should there be no ‘crises’ or ‘impending catastrophe’ on the horizon, the govt will find (manufacture) one so they can tax you to death trying to revert a scenario that just isn't happening.

Ever notice that there is never good news so as to ease up on taxation?
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