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Catsumi wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 6:19 pm The hysterical fear of PP is causing the Niberal supporters to speak in tongues.

Time for an exorcism
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Catsumi wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 6:19 pm The hysterical fear of PP is causing the Niberal supporters to speak in tongues.

Time for an exorcism
I am not afraid of Pe Pe Lepew. I am more afraid of the crazy fringe that defends him and would vote for him. These people are terrifying.
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:25 pm

I am not afraid of Pe Pe Lepew. .
Great. But all idiot Liberal scum should be afraid of Pierre (as we are seeing with this idiotic and childish attacks on him daily from Katie's troll brigade) as he is going to kick out the Liberal scum and they will soon be out of power. Not a minute too soon.
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. BOO !
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Catsumi wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:38 pm . BOO !
Stop.....you may keel over
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:25 pm I am not afraid of Pe Pe Lepew. I am more afraid of the crazy fringe that defends him and would vote for him. These people are terrifying.
Indeed. As hobbyguy noted, these aren't your normal and more rational conservatives who would support measured and prudent change, but rather a group of divisive Conservative populists who would see us burn it all down to promote their radical agenda.
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steven lloyd wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 2:11 am
nucksRnum1 wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:25 pm I am not afraid of Pe Pe Lepew. I am more afraid of the crazy fringe that defends him and would vote for him. These people are terrifying.
Indeed. As hobbyguy noted, these aren't your normal and more rational conservatives who would support measured and prudent change, but rather a group of divisive Conservative populists who would see us burn it all down to promote their radical agenda.
HG quoted using irrational name calling divisive tactics like the boss in Ottawa . The only divisive rhetoric spews daily out of liberal headquarters and the fan club laps it up and repeats it. The measured and prudent change we are experiencing has Canada swirling the toilet bowl. The only burning and radical agenda we see is when liberals gather for their “ understandable” witch hunts .

Adults need to be once again in charge.
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 6:08 am
steven lloyd wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 2:11 am As hobbyguy noted, these aren't your normal and more rational conservatives who would support measured and prudent change, but rather a group of divisive Conservative populists who would see us burn it all down to promote their radical agenda.
HG quoted using irrational name calling divisive tactics like the boss in Ottawa . The only divisive rhetoric spews daily out of liberal headquarters and the fan club laps it up and repeats it. The measured and prudent change we are experiencing has Canada swirling the toilet bowl. The only burning and radical agenda we see is when liberals gather for their “ understandable” witch hunts .

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Nov 22nd, 2022, 8:35 pm The next election can't come fast enough. Go Pierre!!
Yes, we are all looking forward to the day when Skippy PP is sent packing just like O'Toole and Scheer. Skippy PP is an absolute embarrassment.
Conservatives who spend all day, every day arguing with strangers on the internet are such embarrassing losers and truly just so dumb.

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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 6:08 am

HG quoted using irrational name calling divisive tactics like the boss in Ottawa . The only divisive rhetoric spews daily out of liberal headquarters and the fan club laps it up and repeats it. The measured and prudent change we are experiencing has Canada swirling the toilet bowl. The only burning and radical agenda we see is when liberals gather for their “ understandable” witch hunts .

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^^^^^
Excellent post, right on point. The hypocrisy around here is just off the charts. No one is more divisive than the scum here that are using such childish nonsense when it comes to Pierre. Scared silly that their idiot leader is going to lose yet another election, all they have is juvenile insults. Just so awful. Go Pierre!!
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:27 pm Great. But all idiot Liberal scum should be afraid of Pierre (as we are seeing with this idiotic and childish attacks on him daily from Katie's troll brigade) as he is going to kick out the Liberal scum and they will soon be out of power. Not a minute too soon.
Why should Liberals be afraid of him? If he wins the next election he will be everyone's PM. Are you suggesting he will mistreat those who didn't vote for him? Is he going to implement divisive policies that harm these folks?

Here I was thinking that a PM should work to unite Canadians, but here are his supporters suggesting folks who don't support him should fear him. If you're suggesting he's going to base his leadership style on employing fear tactics, it's just going to be another reason not to vote for him.
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steven lloyd wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 2:11 am
nucksRnum1 wrote: Nov 23rd, 2022, 9:25 pm I am not afraid of Pe Pe Lepew. I am more afraid of the crazy fringe that defends him and would vote for him. These people are terrifying.
Indeed. As hobbyguy noted, these aren't your normal and more rational conservatives who would support measured and prudent change, but rather a group of divisive Conservative populists who would see us burn it all down to promote their radical agenda.
When one considers the efforts by Putin's minions to pollute anti-social media by amplifying divisions and create confusion over what facts are by utilizing propaganda, one is reminded of the efforts in the run up to WW2 and during WW2. That said effort by Putin's minions ramps up years prior to the full scale invasion of Ukraine and is present in all western liberal democracies, but prioritized in the USA and Europe is unsurprising.

While that may seem irrelevant, the more populist of politicians, who tended to be opportunists motivated by their personal greed and desires for power/position have long been targets of nefarious interests. The cases of Senator Ernest Lundeen and George Sylvester Viereck during WW2 show, as a tip of an iceberg, the extent and depth of such efforts by a nefarious foreign power. In that case, a nefarious foreign agent was literally writing speeches for a US senator and using his congressional staff to distribute propaganda to Americans.

During the sedition trials of WW2 the common tactic of those in the "Christian Front" and "America First" committee members was to declare "it is all a witch hunt" and a "hoax" to prosecute them, and to attack the credibility of journalists and newspapers.

Such propaganda efforts sow confusion and doubt about everything. When a German U boat sank the passenger ship Athena, the countering propaganda from Germany was that Churchill and the Brits had torpedoed their own passenger ship (which had US citizens on board) in order to bring the USA into the war. As careful examination later reveals, that was just a false assertion of German propaganda. And yes, those WW2 and run up to WW2 targeted trust in the free press newspapers and mainstream radio stations as "hiding the real truth" etc. etc. and putting out "fake news".

Such efforts are limited to one extreme of the political spectrum or the other. They are the tactics of authoritarian dictators. Both the dictators who cloaked themselves in Communism (Stalin) and who were even more open (fascists like Mussolini). They do tend to find groups who are susceptible to such conspiracy theories as they choose to promulgate. The "Silver Legion" in the WW2 era being one such group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Legion_of_America. Then one thinks about the "Oath Keepers" of today...

In today's context we have what is pretty much a fascist dictator in Putin coming at us from one side, and a communist dictator in Xi coming at us from the other. Both exploit the greed of anti-social media companies to hit democracy at its weak point strength - freedom of expression. And yes, these nefarious characters Putin and Xi, are both dictators with territorial ambitions.

This line of thought is why there is real concern about Pierre Poilievre's tendency to NOT answer questions in public forums, not put pen to paper with clear policy positions, and instead put out his own anti-social media propaganda pieces using anti-social media. And yes, Poilievre attacks "the mainstream media", especially the prime Canadian target, the CBC.

And yes, Pierre is adopting many of the buzzwords of the far right such as the woketalk. That really is a sad thing, as the whole intent of "woketalk" has its roots in exploiting xenophobia and racism, and in fact originates with the most racist elements of society.

The efforts by those nefarious elements is to create divisions, and create the conditions that allow people to view "others" as less than fully human - and therefore targets for violence etc. The enemy of dictators like Putin and Xi, their predecessors, has always been democratic countries operating as cohesive wholes. Therefore they have always attacked social cohesion and sought to divide people along racial lines, religious lines, etc. In their rhetoric/propaganda such dictator actors always need such targets, and it plays into their purposes. If we are busy fighting among ourselves, then we can not present a cohesive opposition to likes of Putin.

Part of my concern is that Pierre has always had an element of distaste for democracy, which showed up in Pierre's failed (fortunately) efforts to subvert the strength of democracy with the insidious mess of the "Fair Elections Act" scandal.

That Pierre attempts to hide from scrutiny by refusing to answer questions, refusing to debate (even within his own party) are obvious red flags, refuses to elucidate clear policy positions, and spends his time pumping out anti-social media propaganda is very concerning.

The only conclusion is that Pierre Poilievre is unsuitable as a leader in a democracy.
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Jonrox wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 9:29 am
Why should Liberals be afraid of him?
Because the Liberals really suck and are going to lose power. The one thing they fear the most. Go Pierre!!
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hobbyguy wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 9:30 am
steven lloyd wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 2:11 am

Indeed. As hobbyguy noted, these aren't your normal and more rational conservatives who would support measured and prudent change, but rather a group of divisive Conservative populists who would see us burn it all down to promote their radical agenda.
When one considers the efforts by Putin's minions to pollute anti-social media by amplifying divisions and create confusion over what facts are by utilizing propaganda, one is reminded of the efforts in the run up to WW2 and during WW2. That said effort by Putin's minions ramps up years prior to the full scale invasion of Ukraine and is present in all western liberal democracies, but prioritized in the USA and Europe is unsurprising.
Goodness! This is an interesting turn of events.

It seems perhaps we are being invited to divide into camps - "those willing to equate Poilievre with Putin" vs those who simply think Poilievre is a significant improvement over the current leader of Canada! Talk about efforts by "minions to pollute anti-social media by amplifying divisions and create confusion over what facts are by utilizing propaganda".
...do some internal evaluation; Are you aiming to tell the truth or just "win"? Are you aiming to inform or to promote a narrative? Have you checked your facts or are you just accepting what you are told? Ad Nausica
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rustled wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 10:03 am
hobbyguy wrote: Nov 24th, 2022, 9:30 am

When one considers the efforts by Putin's minions to pollute anti-social media by amplifying divisions and create confusion over what facts are by utilizing propaganda, one is reminded of the efforts in the run up to WW2 and during WW2. That said effort by Putin's minions ramps up years prior to the full scale invasion of Ukraine and is present in all western liberal democracies, but prioritized in the USA and Europe is unsurprising.
Goodness! This is an interesting turn of events.

It seems perhaps we are being invited to divide into camps - "those willing to equate Poilievre with Putin" vs those who simply think Poilievre is a significant improvement over the current leader of Canada! Talk about efforts by "minions to pollute anti-social media by amplifying divisions and create confusion over what facts are by utilizing propaganda".
Just a few posts ago some Poilievre supporters suggested that Liberals should fear him. It seems perhaps we are being invited to divide into camps - those willing to support Poilievre vs those who don't support him who should fear him.

Talk about amplifying divisions.

I'm wondering what kind of policies his supporters believe he's going to implement that will result in non-supporters fearing him. It's hard for me to get behind someone who is going to adapt leadership strategies based on fear and division like these folks are suggesting he'll do.

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