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jennylives wrote:I have a picture of an outline of my dog (an APBT) that says "I can make it to the fence in 2.8 seconds, can you?" right inside my front door.


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Beach Bunny wrote:Guns don't kill people...people kill people



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What ever happen to Canadians?

Over the past 10 years or so we’ve spawned Wiggers in Westbank, Gangstas in the Mission, Boyz in da 'Hood and 'Sup Homie G!

We've morphed into Yankee Wannabe Cheeseheads spoon shovelled a diet of MTV, WWF, CNN and, apparently...Charlton Heston "...from my cold hand..." Yankee-doodler tough dude rhetoric bravado addicts. We’ve become so steroid deficient to emulate like a crack *bleep*, dependence on a daily injection of American pseudo-testosterone stupidity.

There is so much displaced Yankee bluster in this forum you’d think we were in Kansas, not Canada.

Step away from the American Culture Machine and nobody gets hurt!

There are folks in here who obviously shoot off their mouths more than guns and haven’t got a clue what it takes to own or use a gun.

They seem to base their comments on the many educational series they’ve found on the Movie Channel, hosted by such informed experts as Chuck Norris, Claude Van Dame, Nicolas Cage and of course the superb American documentary…Pulp Fiction. GOD…I, like, sooo wanna be Samual L. Jackson!

The sooner we realize that Bob and Doug, Red Green and Bubbles can travel the world without getting knifed or having a waiter spit in their cannelloni, the sooner we will appreciate the power of Canadian humility and selflessness.

I’d rather share a Pilsner with Lacey, Brent, Wanda and Hank at the Ruby than swill a Budweiser with a Clydesdale in a s--t filled barn. And I’d rather get a ticket from Davis or Karen than Boss Hog.

For you ignorant clowns in here who can’t figure out the difference between the American Rights to Bear Arms and the legitimate Canadian privilege to Arm Because of Bears, unplug your keyboard…ya frikin’ Poser Hosers!
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UhHuhYeahSure wrote:Beach Bunny wrote:
Guns don't kill people...people kill people

People with guns kill people! -
There was a survey published sometine in the mid 80's in the US that showed - you are 3 times more likely to be shot if you own a gun.

Back to Tasers, why dont they make the taser a single shot weapon that you have to take back to the cop shop to get turned back on?. they could easily do that, and could easily put an overide button on the taser so that a cop could use it multiple times if threatened by more than one person.
Then the cop would have to document the use of the gun, and explain multiple use situations.
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actually if you READ the Canadian Charter of Rights & Freedoms, and the also papers written by Blackstone, firearm rights predate the maple leaf in canada. Our laws were originally odopted from the english, and at that time, firearms were a large part of our society, and theirs.
here is a summary:
http://www.nfa.ca/content/view/278/1/

and in case you decide you cant read the entire document...
"By 1181 and the Assize of Arms, the right to own arms had been established and recognized as an "ancient" right and would later be the basis of the English Bill of Rights."

if our house of commons and our laws were adopted from the english then, yes we did have the right. and it was taken away. most liberals are in denial of these facts, probably because it was the liberals that took our rights away. as such i will NEVER vote for them. and i also get a kick out of all the bleeding heart liberals who complain about misuse of tax dollars, and still support Bill C68; it cost us BILLIONS! and y'know i bet Izzy STILL won't support bill C301 to dismantle the registry, even if it costs canadians another 2 billion.

oh, and BTW, for your information handguns have been registered since the 70s. and there is still handgun violence in canada? hmmmm,... yep. registering long arms REALLY helped us! :dyinglaughing:

if you don't want to protect yourself and 'wait for the police' to help :dyinglaughing: then do so. if you don't want the RIGHT to protect your family, then dont. just don't infringe on us law abiding citizens. we don't rob banks, we obey the law. and the current, law im afraid, doesnt cut it.

it amazes me, the people who call themselves canadians, and they have never read the charter... :200: i suspect most liberals dont even know what the CR&F is, and who Blackstone was... pretty sad.
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nibs wrote:
UhHuhYeahSure wrote:Beach Bunny wrote:
There was a survey published sometine in the mid 80's in the US that showed - you are 3 times more likely to be shot if you own a gun.


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uh huh... ok... who wrote this? links please...
open carried firearms are a deterrent. most sane people will avoid a 'carrier' because of the consequenses of injury.
criminals love the gun laws because they disarm us. there is less chance of a rapist getting injured while doing his thing; less chance of a burglar getting shot dead while conducting a home invasion.

and no. not ALL americans carry guns. this is foolish. from what ive read on line, the number is around 2%.

if they took all the guns away in canada, the only people left in canada with guns, would be the criminals; in the end they dont follow the law, and they dont care. you think gang violence is bad now...??? :dyinglaughing:

just look at britian. they took all the guns away. their gun related crime went up considerably.
http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html
or this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/2656875.stm

if you have an open mind, read a book called "more guns, less crime" by J. Lott. i have a few liberal friends that now own guns after reading this great book.

theres lots of stuff on this. just type it into google.
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The bottom line is -
If you have a gun, you might shoot me (there may be people on this forum that would applaud) -
if you dont have a gun, you cant shoot me.
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nibs wrote:The bottom line is -
If you have a gun, you might shoot me (there may be people on this forum that would applaud) -
if you dont have a gun, you cant shoot me.


well i have no reason to shoot you(at the moment anyways... :137: :wink: :wink:) or anyone.
on the other hand, if you have the need to harm me or my family, then everything changes...
i just want the option to DEFEND myself and my family, and i dont like it when the gov takes that right away from me. it almost feels like they are putting me in harms way... they are an uncaring government; more concerned about business, and money, than the safety of citizens.
an old addage... "when seconds count, the police are minutes away."
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What ever happen to Canadians?

Over the past 10 years or so we’ve spawned Wiggers in Westbank, Gangstas in the Mission, Boyz in da 'Hood and 'Sup Homie G!

We've morphed into Yankee Wannabe Cheeseheads spoon shovelled a diet of MTV, WWF, CNN and, apparently...Charlton Heston "...from my cold hand..." Yankee-doodler tough dude rhetoric bravado addicts. We’ve become so steroid deficient to emulate like a crack *bleep*, dependence on a daily injection of American pseudo-testosterone stupidity.


There is so much displaced Yankee bluster in this forum you’d think we were in Kansas, not Canada.

Step away from the American Culture Machine and nobody gets hurt!

There are folks in here who obviously shoot off their mouths more than guns and haven’t got a clue what it takes to own or use a gun.

They seem to base their comments on the many educational series they’ve found on the Movie Channel, hosted by such informed experts as Chuck Norris, Claude Van Dame, Nicolas Cage and of course the superb American documentary…Pulp Fiction. GOD…I, like, sooo wanna be Samual L. Jackson!

The sooner we realize that Bob and Doug, Red Green and Bubbles can travel the world without getting knifed or having a waiter spit in their cannelloni, the sooner we will appreciate the power of Canadian humility and selflessness.

I’d rather share a Pilsner with Lacey, Brent, Wanda and Hank at the Ruby than swill a Budweiser with a Clydesdale in a s--t filled barn. And I’d rather get a ticket from Davis or Karen than Boss Hog.

For you ignorant clowns in here who can’t figure out the difference between the American Rights to Bear Arms and the legitimate Canadian privilege to Arm Because of Bears, unplug your keyboard…ya frikin’ Poser Hosers!
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Since you seem to think, it’s a bed of roses out there. here are some stats for you to chew on. They all come from stats can.
the rate of ‘home invasions’ has remained relatively stable over this six-year period at a
rate of around 23 per 100,000 population.

Half (55%) of ‘home invasion’ incidents involved a weapon being present in the incident
compared with 60% of all other robberies. The most common weapons present in both
‘home invasion’ incidents and other robberies were knives/other cutting instruments
(21% versus 23%) and firearms (18% each). In 47% of ‘home invasion’ incidents the
victim reported physical injuries: 38% reported minor physical injuries and 8% reported
major injuries that required professional medical attention at the scene of the incident.

This database includes 106
Canadian police forces, representing 41% of the annual national volume of crime
(including Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver) who have been
reporting incident-based crime statistics since 1995

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0027x/8 ... 02-eng.pdf

Homicide offences, number and rate, by province and territory
(Number of homicides)
Canada 549 624 663 606 594
Newfoundland 5 2 11 7 3
Prince Edward 1 0 0 1 0
Nova Scotia 8 14 20 16 13
New Brunswi 8 7 9 7 8
Quebec 99 111 100 93 90
Ontario 178 187 219 196 201
Manitoba 43 50 49 39 62
Saskatchewan 41 39 43 42 30
Alberta 64 86 108 95 88
British Colu 94 113 101 108 88
Yukon 1 7 1 0 2
Northwest Ter 4 4 0 0 2
Nunavut 3 4 2 2


Homicides by method 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
homicides
All methods 549 624 663 606 594
Shooting 161 173 223 190 188
Stabbing 142 205 198 210 190
Beating 121 137 144 119 116
Strangulation 65 63 47 48 50
Fire (burns/suffocation) 12 13 10 12 4
Other methods 26 20 26 14 19
Not known 22 13 15 13

Crimes by type of offence 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
rate per 100,000 population
All incidents 8,900.6 8,949.0 8,532.0 8,298.7 7,778.2
Criminal Code offences 8,142.3 8,160.5 7,769.4 7,542.7 6,983.6
Crimes of violence 965.0 944.4 949.1 953.8 929.6
Homicide 1.7 2.0 2.1 1.9 1.8
Attempted murder 2.2 2.1 2.5 2.6 2.4
Assaults (level 1 to 3)1 747.6 732.2 732.5 737.0 718.5
Sexual assault 74.2 72.0 72.8 68.1 65.0
Other sexual offences 8.1 8.2 8.6 8.5 8.4
Robbery 89.8 85.9 89.1 94.2 89.8
Other crimes of violence2 41.3 42.0 41.6 41.6 43.7
Property crimes 4,120.6 3,969.3 3,735.8 3,596.0 3,319.7
Breaking and entering 899.5 862.2 808.9 769.9 700.3
Motor vehicle theft 550.0 531.3 495.2 485.9 443.2
Theft over $5,000 61.3 53.0 53.2 52.4 52.7
Theft $5,000 and under 2,211. 2,106.6 1,976.6 1,892.3 1,756.5
Possession of stolen goods 104.7 111.7 106.7 110.2 99.4
Frauds 293.4 304.6 295.2 285.4 267.7

Yes there is a correlation between accessibility and gun related injury, though it is disputed by some researchers. An average of more than 1200 Canadians have been killed and over 1000 have been injured with firearms each year during the past 10 years. For example, in 1995, 911 Canadians committed suicide with firearms, 145 were killed with firearms in homicides, 49 died in "accidents," 6 were killed in legal interventions and 14 deaths were undetermined, creating an overall firearms death rate of 3.8 per 100,000. Notice how the gun death rate is about on par with home invasions occurrences. Nobody on here said arm the populace to the teeth. We said the right to self security is a fundamental right. Ownership of guns has never been regarded as a right, and several court rulings have reaffirmed the right of the government to protect citizens from guns but as we can see the police and government have done a bang up job protecting us.

If you stopped being a sarcastic comedian and open your mind you might realize that. Your convoluted and condescending remarks serve no purpose and just proves to me, and probably others, that you think life in this world is an episode of Corner gas. Got news for you, it’s a violent world and nobody is going to look out for your best interests but you.

Oh and yes , we are quite aware of Canadian privileges. Which first and foremost means:privilege >noun 1 a special right, advantage, or immunity for a particular person or group.

Your naive attuitude astounds me.
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:ohmygod: Do you have stats.on how many died because of drugs? I think that you will find more die because of drugs in some way then die by guns. :sunshine:
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Why would a question about whether more people die from drug overdoses than guns warrant a smiley emoticon? :137:
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http://www.educatingharper.com/Sentenced%20to%20Death2.doc

I found this after a few minutes searching but Im not sure what it has to do with gun control...but since you asked...

according to this paper there are about 450 drug ( for BC only)induced deaths as opposed to 1200 gun deaths Canada wide. Actually , the paper is a very interesting read

An estimated 732 Canadians (.4% of total mortality) died from the use of illicit drugs in 1992. Of these, 42% were suicides, 14% were from opiate poisoning, 9% were cocaine poisonings and 8% were AIDS-related deaths in injection drug users. In addition, there were 7,100 hospitalizations -- half of which were for drug psychosis, assaults and cocaine abuse.
http://www.cfdp.ca/sen8ex1.htm
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trying to correlate gun crime with drug deaths is very very sloppy (or non existent ) logic. Its kinda like saying that cigar smoking is correlated with zoning infractions - a red herring.
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usquebaugh wrote:Why would a question about whether more people die from drug overdoses than guns warrant a smiley emoticon? :137:


You can`t compare these two.

People who do drugs want to kill themselves, so in reality it`s suicide.
People dying from guns...that`s other people killing them.
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Anyone caught brandishing a handgun at anytime should get a minimum sentence of 10 years.No plea bargaining or side deals. If a handguns is discharged minimum 20 years. No negotiating ,no deals.If you are an illegal alien , you are deported, with your family and never allowed back in ever.And an eye for an eye , you kill , you're hanged and all you assets are seized and sold for funds for educating kids against doing this kind of dumb a$$$ed *bleep*. The cop that kills a criminal that is shooting at him gets a years pay as a bonus and a street named after him so the criminals can see his or her name every freaking day.Oh ,and give all the cops 44 auto-mags with laser sights , like the guns the criminals have.

And abolish the gun registry . criminals don't register their guns. Equip every gun sold with a GPS trigger lock if they want to know where the guns are.Disabling it would be a felony offence.

And for these street racing punks.Give the cops laser sighted bazookas . that'll shut the little turds up .
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WhatThe wrote:
What ever happen to Canadians?

Over the past 10 years or so we’ve spawned Wiggers in Westbank, Gangstas in the Mission, Boyz in da 'Hood and 'Sup Homie G!

We've morphed into Yankee Wannabe Cheeseheads spoon shovelled a diet of MTV, WWF, CNN and, apparently...Charlton Heston "...from my cold hand..." Yankee-doodler tough dude rhetoric bravado addicts. We’ve become so steroid deficient to emulate like a crack *bleep*, dependence on a daily injection of American pseudo-testosterone stupidity.


There is so much displaced Yankee bluster in this forum you’d think we were in Kansas, not Canada.

Step away from the American Culture Machine and nobody gets hurt!

There are folks in here who obviously shoot off their mouths more than guns and haven’t got a clue what it takes to own or use a gun.

They seem to base their comments on the many educational series they’ve found on the Movie Channel, hosted by such informed experts as Chuck Norris, Claude Van Dame, Nicolas Cage and of course the superb American documentary…Pulp Fiction. GOD…I, like, sooo wanna be Samual L. Jackson!

The sooner we realize that Bob and Doug, Red Green and Bubbles can travel the world without getting knifed or having a waiter spit in their cannelloni, the sooner we will appreciate the power of Canadian humility and selflessness.

I’d rather share a Pilsner with Lacey, Brent, Wanda and Hank at the Ruby than swill a Budweiser with a Clydesdale in a s--t filled barn. And I’d rather get a ticket from Davis or Karen than Boss Hog.

For you ignorant clowns in here who can’t figure out the difference between the American Rights to Bear Arms and the legitimate Canadian privilege to Arm Because of Bears, unplug your keyboard…ya frikin’ Poser Hosers!


Since you seem to think, it’s a bed of roses out there. here are some stats for you to chew on. They all come from stats can.
the rate of ‘home invasions’ has remained relatively stable over this six-year period at a
rate of around 23 per 100,000 population.

Half (55%) of ‘home invasion’ incidents involved a weapon being present in the incident
compared with 60% of all other robberies. The most common weapons present in both
‘home invasion’ incidents and other robberies were knives/other cutting instruments
(21% versus 23%) and firearms (18% each). In 47% of ‘home invasion’ incidents the
victim reported physical injuries: 38% reported minor physical injuries and 8% reported
major injuries that required professional medical attention at the scene of the incident.

This database includes 106
Canadian police forces, representing 41% of the annual national volume of crime
(including Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver) who have been
reporting incident-based crime statistics since 1995

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85f0027x/8 ... 02-eng.pdf

Homicide offences, number and rate, by province and territory
(Number of homicides)
Canada 549 624 663 606 594
Newfoundland 5 2 11 7 3
Prince Edward 1 0 0 1 0
Nova Scotia 8 14 20 16 13
New Brunswi 8 7 9 7 8
Quebec 99 111 100 93 90
Ontario 178 187 219 196 201
Manitoba 43 50 49 39 62
Saskatchewan 41 39 43 42 30
Alberta 64 86 108 95 88
British Colu 94 113 101 108 88
Yukon 1 7 1 0 2
Northwest Ter 4 4 0 0 2
Nunavut 3 4 2 2


Homicides by method 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
homicides
All methods 549 624 663 606 594
Shooting 161 173 223 190 188
Stabbing 142 205 198 210 190
Beating 121 137 144 119 116
Strangulation 65 63 47 48 50
Fire (burns/suffocation) 12 13 10 12 4
Other methods 26 20 26 14 19
Not known 22 13 15 13

Crimes by type of offence 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
rate per 100,000 population
All incidents 8,900.6 8,949.0 8,532.0 8,298.7 7,778.2
Criminal Code offences 8,142.3 8,160.5 7,769.4 7,542.7 6,983.6
Crimes of violence 965.0 944.4 949.1 953.8 929.6
Homicide 1.7 2.0 2.1 1.9 1.8
Attempted murder 2.2 2.1 2.5 2.6 2.4
Assaults (level 1 to 3)1 747.6 732.2 732.5 737.0 718.5
Sexual assault 74.2 72.0 72.8 68.1 65.0
Other sexual offences 8.1 8.2 8.6 8.5 8.4
Robbery 89.8 85.9 89.1 94.2 89.8
Other crimes of violence2 41.3 42.0 41.6 41.6 43.7
Property crimes 4,120.6 3,969.3 3,735.8 3,596.0 3,319.7
Breaking and entering 899.5 862.2 808.9 769.9 700.3
Motor vehicle theft 550.0 531.3 495.2 485.9 443.2
Theft over $5,000 61.3 53.0 53.2 52.4 52.7
Theft $5,000 and under 2,211. 2,106.6 1,976.6 1,892.3 1,756.5
Possession of stolen goods 104.7 111.7 106.7 110.2 99.4
Frauds 293.4 304.6 295.2 285.4 267.7

Yes there is a correlation between accessibility and gun related injury, though it is disputed by some researchers. An average of more than 1200 Canadians have been killed and over 1000 have been injured with firearms each year during the past 10 years. For example, in 1995, 911 Canadians committed suicide with firearms, 145 were killed with firearms in homicides, 49 died in "accidents," 6 were killed in legal interventions and 14 deaths were undetermined, creating an overall firearms death rate of 3.8 per 100,000. Notice how the gun death rate is about on par with home invasions occurrences. Nobody on here said arm the populace to the teeth. We said the right to self security is a fundamental right. Ownership of guns has never been regarded as a right, and several court rulings have reaffirmed the right of the government to protect citizens from guns but as we can see the police and government have done a bang up job protecting us.

If you stopped being a sarcastic comedian and open your mind you might realize that. Your convoluted and condescending remarks serve no purpose and just proves to me, and probably others, that you think life in this world is an episode of Corner gas. Got news for you, it’s a violent world and nobody is going to look out for your best interests but you.

Oh and yes , we are quite aware of Canadian privileges. Which first and foremost means:privilege >noun 1 a special right, advantage, or immunity for a particular person or group.

Your naive attuitude astounds me.[/quote]


good post whatthe.
well said...
=D> =D> =D> :rate10:

im not astounded at all... looks like the liberal brainwashing demonizing guns is still working.
they are just sheep, after all...

interesting stats. looks like the greatest number of homicides are in ontario. a province with probably the strictest gun control in the country... :dyinglaughing:

something else that liberals aren't seeing: we have had a restricted handgun registration since the early 1970s... and guess what? handguns are STILL being used for crimes daily....
yep the registry really works....
just take a look at New york, california, Wash DC, and chicago. they have the strictest gun control in the usa, and also are the most gun violent parts of the nation...

but y'know it doesn't really matter what us pro gun owners say, because whatever we say, nothing will change because they are more afraid of the guns than the criminals themselves... hell we spent what? 2 billion registering long arms, when this money could have been used to stop the ILLEGAL guns coming across the border... or fighting drugs,... something USEFUL.
one day the libs will take all the guns away, like they did in the UK. then when gun related crime rises more than 20%(like it did in the UK), they will scratch their heads, and wonder why... :dyinglaughing: ... and when home invasions still happen in their neighborhoods, and their friends and neighbors get attacked, like usual the police wont be there to protect them. the people will scream for something else to blame, and in the end, it will only be themselves.

and me? well i hope to be living in a "freedom state" when all the gun bans come; because, as much as i love canada, i hate its politics, and its ignorant money grabbing leaders. i refuse to be criminalized in a country because i want to defend myself...
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