The war on Fox. Does Canadian media tend to lean one way?

[steven lloyd]

Right Wingers typically understand that relationship and need to earn a financial return whereas the leftist simply sees it is greed.

That's excellent ! Are there any posters here who think they could come up with a better example of lazy thinking and stereotypical rhetoric ?

Your right. I missed that “creative” thinking part of my post where I labelled everyone as a corrupt criminal in the Campbell Government multiple times. That was very "lazy of me.

Al, do I have to spend the next three pages explaining to you what stereotype is (and why it is not the same thing as identifying Campbell and a small specific group of lackies as corrupt) ?

... I'd amend the specific quote to make it bombproof by saying "the typical leftist activist ..."

Good work homey

[Homeownertoo]

Why did you reproduce this image? The author of the article prefaced it with the comment: "People often admit the Hitler-Stalin similarity, yet that does not stop them thinking that Stalin is left and Hitler is right and that the market must somehow be on the right (being the opposite of communism). Hence, in their confusion, they can only come up with a circle. It is hard to see how the political circle has better real explanatory value than the political line."

[Al Czervic]

Right Wingers typically understand that relationship and need to earn a financial return whereas the leftist simply sees it is greed.

That's excellent ! Are there any posters here who think they could come up with a better example of lazy thinking and stereotypical rhetoric ?

Your right. I missed that “creative” thinking part of my post where I labelled everyone as a corrupt criminal in the Campbell Government multiple times. That was very "lazy of me.

Al, do I have to spend the next three pages explaining to you what stereotype is (and why it is not the same thing as identifying Campbell and a small specific group of lackies as corrupt) ?

No you don’t. I can read any one of your posts and see stereotypical thinking in action multiple times. You have the credibility of the RCMP when it comes to stereotypical thinking. In other words you try to try to constantly accuse everyone else of doing it and you fail tor realize that you yourself are one of the greatest offenders. However I suppose that is why you are the resident authority on the subject.

[quietlywatching84]

Please do so. I'd be curious to find out.

Not a problem, I was interested as well. I didn't have as much time as I would have liked (but I will do some more looking around in the next few days), but I did find a good leftie source to check and see what the housing advocates in Vancouver are suggesting these days. Thank good I haven't seen any rent control suggestions yet, but I did find some weird stuff. I haven't read all these articles yet but the Tyee is probably BC's most popular source of "social justice' type stuff. Let's take a look at a series they did almost exactly a year ago on affordable housing:

First off, because it's the most outlandish thing I've ever read is this little tidbit:

The best solution: Boost family income by 85 per cent

There are two ways to narrow B.C.'s housing gap: Either raise incomes, or lower the cost of housing.

Social policy experts claim raising incomes is the better option. They note that B.C. households bring home lower median incomes than Canadians as a whole. They warn that as the income-to-housing-cost gap expands, hundreds of thousands of British Columbians fall within a few missed paycheques of becoming homeless.

Economists also believe that raising incomes is the better option. They note that renters who spend 42 per cent of their income on housing are a drag on the economy because they have that much less to spend on cars, clothes, furniture and other goods that stimulate the economy.

"We argue that the ultimate solution to the affordable housing problem is to raise market incomes and develop a more effective and equitable income transfer regime to help lower-income households," wrote TD Economics chief economist Don Drummond in a 2003 paper on affordable housing.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/02/10/CrazyHousing/

I'm all ears to anybody who can figure out how to raise incomes by 85%!

Now this is funny, this article is a year old, and the Tyee didn't think vacancy rates would increase, check this juicy tidbit:

Think the falling real estate market is going to solve B.C.'s housing affordability problems? Think again: Home prices would have to plunge 55 per cent before ordinary families will be able to buy homes in this market. And if real estate sinks that low, so will family incomes. { I call BS on that last sentence unless you would like to prove otherwisee}

Think falling home prices will lead to lower rents? Think again: Kelowna, Victoria and Vancouver boast rental vacancy rates of roughly 0.3 per cent.

Well something is causing lower rents and increased vacancy in Kelowna... Probably not just housing prices... but seems they missed that boat...

Myth #3: Empty condos will loosen up the rental market

Don't condos often turn into rentals? I don't know about that one either. Anybody reading this renting a condo right now?

Myth #4: Build more homes and prices will drop

Well, it's possible if you don't build enough, but as a generalization that is true. Let's see how they explain that one:

Much of the B.C. housing market simply remains so out of balance that market forces of supply and demand simply do not function.

Oh boy. Maybe supply hasn't met demand? Actually, Vancouver prices were dropping when that article was printed, so obvouisly something in the market was functioning. Didn't think of that one did you. I can't believe I do this for free.

Those quotes are from here: http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/02/12/HousingMyths/

Some wacky stuff, but I did find some ideas that were actually not too bad, this one seems rather well thought out:

http://thetyee.ca/News/2009/02/17/LowCostHomes/

All in all, it seems that some of the worst ideas have been dropped. Unfortunately the economics grasp that we were hoping from the left hasn't quite shown up yet. Luckily, they do understand some realities and offer a few good market solutions (but those articles come from developers/politicians who obviously grasp the issue much more clearly than the editors).

I'll have to finish reading all those articles later... but take a look.

[steven lloyd]

Al, do I have to spend the next three pages explaining to you what stereotype is (and why it is not the same thing as identifying Campbell and a small specific group of lackies as corrupt) ?

No you don’t. I can read any one of your posts and see stereotypical thinking in action multiple times.

So you don’t understand that accusing Campbell of engaging in corrupt and criminal behaviour (or even suggesting his inner echelon of complicity) is not the same thing as using a stereotype ? Oh well. I’m not going to rehash the definition of stereotypical engagement again. Already went through it once with another poster. Carry on.