Deceiver prorogues, Iggy and Layton talk is OT here

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Great, now the great deceivin' steven wiggles out of Ottawa, shuts down any embarassing investigations such as those on torture, and gets himself a chance to do even more of his back room thuggery, away from the public eye.

One day Canadians will wake up and realize that they have been dumb to put up with his crap, just as the Americans woke up to how bad Bush was for the US.
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Prorogation until after the Olympics! Unfortunately for Canadian democracy, the prime minister faces no threat from the opposition parties. Just enjoy the glorious Olympics and forget about accountable and responsible government.

Under the Conservatives, we used to pay our MPs to show up for work and act as trained seals, thumping and clapping on command. As much as I like Ron Cannan, you have to question his role as a Conservative MP, paid to tow the party line with no meaningful role and no opportunity for substantial debate. Now, I guess, Harper is bold enough to acknowledge that he doesn’t need MPs like Ron Cannan to even show up.

I was willing to give the Conservative government the benefit of doubt about the Afghanistan detainee issue. But by going to the extent of shutting down the Afghanistan committee by proroguing parliament, it seems that Mr. Harper has something important to hide about Afghanistan detainees.

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Sorry but democracy is accountable. It is not Harper’s fault that the Liberals are basically an inept rudderless ship drifting off aimlessly into political irrelevancy and that Jack Layton is a flake who has basically never spent a day in the real world in his life.

If you don’t like Harper vote accordingly but frankly many Canadian got tired or Liberal corruption and a criminal justice system that favoured giving more rights to criminals than the victims. The Conservatives and Harper are bringing about policy that many Canadian’s are supportive of. This is why Harper is rising in the polls while the Liberals continue to drop and Taliban Jack Layton sits still.

Yes, not everyone will always agree with anything and everything in politics but the fact is that more people are agreeing with Harper these days. And for those of your Taliban/ Afghanistan sympathizers out there, yep you can keep supporting Taliban Jack or the Liberals. Some of us have no sympathy for these cowardly cold blooded killer’s, and yes, some of you would make them Canadian citizen’s if you could, I realize that as well. Just not all of us agree.
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We reap what we sow. So long as the majority continues to revel in ^^thinking like this there will be no accountability.
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This is further proof that the Green Party, the BQ and the NDP should all be disbanded as political entities. All of those political resources wasted on people and parties that will never get any power (thank goodness) outside of their little fiefdoms like Quebec for the BQ, the unions for the NDP, and the spaced out nut-bags and disillusioned students for the Greens. All those parties do is split the vote at election time - if they all funneled into one party, then Harper would take our government more seriously. I am not totally knocking Harper, but I am not a huge fan of his either. I think all governments need accountability, and right now our political landscape is too fractured by political opportunists like the BQ and whack-jobs like Elizabeth May, who care more about trying to garner cosy MP jobs and in Loony Lizzie's case, a senate post, rather than about responsible government.
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Canadians are not particularly excited about the detainee issue. Most just don't care that much and those who do are having trouble getting worked up about the possibility that someone who just killed Canadian soldiers in cold blood might have been tortured. As for shutting down Parliament for a couple of months, who cares? The Conservatives will introduce a budget in early March and the opposition can bring the government down at that point if they so choose.
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Urbane wrote:Canadians are not particularly excited about the detainee issue. Most just don't care that much and those who do are having trouble getting worked up about the possibility that someone who just killed Canadian soldiers in cold blood might have been tortured. As for shutting down Parliament for a couple of months, who cares? The Conservatives will introduce a budget in early March and the opposition can bring the government down at that point if they so choose.


Actually, I care. I care that the PM can just waltz over to the GG's office and ask her to shut down parliament and the working of the government because he has issues he doesn't have the balls to deal with. I care because I don't particularly want him to have that time to add five more Senators and stack it in his favour to push through his pet projects. I care because I think he is using it to cover up Olympic over-spending issues until after that is all a done deal. And I care because he is going to use the shut-down to finalize fiscal policy for the budget he is going to be bringing down in early March as well. The whole prorogue issue is just so wrong in so many ways.
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Nibs wrote:Great, now the great deceivin' steven wiggles out of Ottawa, shuts down any embarassing investigations such as those on torture, and gets himself a chance to do even more of his back room thuggery, away from the public eye.


Under the watchful eye of the liberals the ndp and those guys from Quebec.

Surely the opposition would take his minority government down in an instant if they were perturbed.

Forge ahead Steven - the majority opposition condones your ways.
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Gramma, that crime bill received unanimous support in the Commons as I recall (correct me if I'm wrong) and the Senate took out many of the provisions. Given that, I can understand why Harper might want to have a majority in the Senate. Plus we have the Olympics coming up. Parliament takes regular breaks and what better time than during the Olympics. Besides, when they sit there and yell insults at each other does that really help the average Canadian? I think not. If the opposition really thinks this is a terrible thing they should definitely vote no confidence in the government come March and force and election. What do you think?
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I don't understand what the big deal is here. It's not as though there is a significant increase in the number of days parliament doesn't historically sit anyway.

Sure, there are those who subscribe to the suggestion that it is all being done to avoid the detainee torture issue, but as far as I know that is nothing that is proven anyway.

Besides, I am in the camp that is not prepared to accept the idea that, when our troops are dying and being maimed as a result of chickensh!t sneak explosive planting, we should necessarily subscribe to weak kneed Liberal kid gloves treatment of detainees.

Another fact is that I don't feel we should be obligated to retain these folk who get captured. Turning them over to the legitimate government of their country is only right IMO. It is not up to us to tell them how their country is to be run, and how their prisoners are to be treated.

Of course, there are always those who blame our government, and specifically Steven Harper, for any controversy over this issue. But that is entirely politically motivated on the domestic level, and has very little to do with Afghanistan reality.

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Well said Nab. And Happy New Year to you!
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All you liberal lovers wake up , the Pm has every right to do this. Furthermore who cares what is done with the prisoners, do you not care that they are killing our boys? People like nibs and others
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*sigh*

the sad thing is there's nobody worth replacing them, either. Oh well, I'll continue being a country of one. Stoopid sheep.
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NAB wrote:I don't understand what the big deal is here. It's not as though there is a significant increase in the number of days parliament doesn't historically sit anyway.

Sure, there are those who subscribe to the suggestion that it is all being done to avoid the detainee torture issue, but as far as I know that is nothing that is proven anyway.

Besides, I am in the camp that is not prepared to accept the idea that, when our troops are dying and being maimed as a result of chickensh!t sneak explosive planting, we should necessarily subscribe to weak kneed Liberal kid gloves treatment of detainees.

Another fact is that I don't feel we should be obligated to retain these folk who get captured. Turning them over to the legitimate government of their country is only right IMO. It is not up to us to tell them how their country is to be run, and how their prisoners are to be treated.

Of course, there are always those who blame our government, and specifically Steven Harper, for any controversy over this issue. But that is entirely politically motivated on the domestic level, and has very little to do with Afghanistan reality.

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Good points all Nabs. The Afghanistan solution ? :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem:
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steven lloyd wrote:
NAB wrote:I don't understand what the big deal is here. It's not as though there is a significant increase in the number of days parliament doesn't historically sit anyway.

Sure, there are those who subscribe to the suggestion that it is all being done to avoid the detainee torture issue, but as far as I know that is nothing that is proven anyway.

Besides, I am in the camp that is not prepared to accept the idea that, when our troops are dying and being maimed as a result of chickensh!t sneak explosive planting, we should necessarily subscribe to weak kneed Liberal kid gloves treatment of detainees.

Another fact is that I don't feel we should be obligated to retain these folk who get captured. Turning them over to the legitimate government of their country is only right IMO. It is not up to us to tell them how their country is to be run, and how their prisoners are to be treated.

Of course, there are always those who blame our government, and specifically Steven Harper, for any controversy over this issue. But that is entirely politically motivated on the domestic level, and has very little to do with Afghanistan reality.

Nab



Good points all Nabs. The Afghanistan solution ? :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem: :nukeem:


One idea I currently find most appealing Steven is to withdraw ALL foreign troops from within the country, and use them instead to solidly secure the borders and wrap the country in razor wire. Follow up by allowing anyone who wants in ...in, but NO ONE out once in. Let support and medical supplies in (no arms or related personnel), and no exports of any kind out. Then leave them alone to sort out their own problems by whatever means they choose, and for however long it takes ;-)

Of course the Oil, Gas, and Drug conglomerates might protest (along with some of particular political persuasions), but what the hey :-)

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