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Today Iggy responded to the recent Harper Senate appointments. The comments from Iggy I found most interesting...



The Liberals criticized the appointments as nothing more than hypocritical, partisan, patronage plums - direct contradictions to Harper's own undertakings to reform the upper house.

"He simply does not respect promises to his political base," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said outside a darkened Commons chamber, which Harper has shut down until March.

The prime minister cites a need for speedy passage of his crime bills, Ignatieff noted, but "then he prorogues Parliament and all 26 of them go down the drain."

"He's going to have to bring back the crime bills and we're going to have to start all over again. I think it says quite a lot about his attitudes to public safety and I think it says a lot about his respect for our institutions."

Ignatieff said a Liberal government would proceed with Senate reform on things like term limits, after consulting the provinces.



Here is what is so pathetic about Iggy’s comments....

"He simply does not respect promises to his political base," Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said.


Really Iggy ? Iggy neglects to mention that Harper appointed Senators are all appointed on an 8year term NOT a lifetime like Liberal pork barrel Senators. Further you cannot keep your commitment to reform the senate without having control of the senate first. Thus in order to keep your commitment you have no choice BUT to stack the senate. How stupid does Iggy think people really are ?

The prime minister cites a need for speedy passage of his crime bills, Ignatieff noted, but "then he prorogues Parliament and all 26 of them go down the drain."


What Iggy of course fails to mention is that his life term unelected Liberal pork barrel stacked senate continues to delay and water down Harper’s anti-crime bills to the extent that they will simply continue the Liberal tradition of giving more rights to criminals instead of victims.

"He's going to have to bring back the crime bills and we're going to have to start all over again. I think it says quite a lot about his attitudes to public safety and I think it says a lot about his respect for our institutions."


Yes. Iggy you are beginning to see the whole point. The idea is to wait until you can finally not have your bills delayed and watered down by unelected pork barrel Liberals senators playing partisan Liberal politics. The whole point of bringing back these crime bills now is to avoid having Iggy’s Liberal senators play political games because finally the Conservative senators outnumber the Liberal one’s.

Ignatieff said a Liberal government would proceed with Senate reform on things like term limits, after consulting the provinces.



How can Iggy even say this one with a straight face ? If there were NO pork barrel Liberal senators in the first place there would be no need for pork barrel Conservative senators to overrule them. The Liberals wrote the book on pork barrel patronage appointments. Heck it was only two days ago that Iggy sat next to a bunch of recently fired former Liberal Pork Barrel appointees suggesting he would like to further cement these people into our taxpayer financed government institutions and today he says he is all for reform ?

The Liberals had decades to enact reform all they reformed was the fine art of the patronage appointments and how to squander our tax dollars to spend freely in Quebec as their own personal political slush fund. This guy is a joke.
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Not to mention Al, I read somewhere today that PM Harper plans to reintroduce some of the crime related bills in the next session in their original form. I take that to mean their form BEFORE the Liberal dominated committees and senate butchered them to the point of being useless legislation if enacted.

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That crime bill will it have restrictions on Banks. like say a bank makes a mistake and takes 10 dollars out of your account, that is theft, what does a thief get. equal Justice would be a good thing. How about making a book of reasons that police and politicians get off offences, list then by numbers. we could make child porn #1 your wife or kids did it, #2 animal cruelty, my son is a cabinet minister, all drunk drivers #3 get to work at the police station, then just drop the charges, see how easy it would be then we could sell all the prison real estate and everything would be perfect, Oh yes #4 if you are sued just change your name, churches did that , see how easy it would be court time would be, as easy as everyone getting a number card and going home. #5 would be if you didn't fulfill a contract with the government, excuse neither does anybody else. And they say justice and law is hard.
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So is that an example of Iggy talk? Looks like a dictionary exploded. You forgot one. You should be able to sue the government if you can't make one coherent sentence :ohmygod: .
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NAB wrote:Not to mention Al, I read somewhere today that PM Harper plans to reintroduce some of the crime related bills in the next session in their original form. I take that to mean their form BEFORE the Liberal dominated committees and senate butchered them to the point of being useless legislation if enacted.

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yea like i said before one them crime bills is going to cost him his job so lets hope it does pass :coffeecanuck:
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westsidebud wrote:
yea like i said before one them crime bills is going to cost him his job so lets hope it does pass


Can you expand on that comment further ? I am not certain what you mean by it.
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Al Czervic wrote:
westsidebud wrote:
yea like i said before one them crime bills is going to cost him his job so lets hope it does pass


Can you expand on that comment further ? I am not certain what you mean by it.

sure al bill c-15
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westsidebud wrote:
Al Czervic wrote:
westsidebud wrote:
yea like i said before one them crime bills is going to cost him his job so lets hope it does pass


Can you expand on that comment further ? I am not certain what you mean by it.

sure al bill c-15


So you are suggesting that there are enough potheads and dope smokers out there to vote Harper out of government if C-15 passes?
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Al Czervic wrote:
westsidebud wrote:
Al Czervic wrote:
westsidebud wrote:
yea like i said before one them crime bills is going to cost him his job so lets hope it does pass


Can you expand on that comment further ? I am not certain what you mean by it.

sure al bill c-15


So you are suggesting that there are enough potheads and dope smokers out there to vote Harper out of government if C-15 passes?

well theres more than we both know about, but no thats not who i ment, the fact is the rest of the world is going forward in this issue and harper wants to take canada backwards.california will be out of debt in 4 years, thats 4 billion dollars when most of the states legalise or decriminalis it will shut down any reason for any exports of weed into the states, because why would anyone there pay inflated prices for something they can legaly buy in their own country. and the ppl of canada will see this foolishness and say enoughs enough. legalise here and the crminal element is rendered out of bizness problem solved. now as for iggy he does need to go because i think hes a idiot, but that dont mean i think harper is any better
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The criminal element will be there no matter pot is legalized or decriminalized or not. It's not just about pot and small time potheads anyway.

But in that the Liberals support the move of the Government via C-15 to provide for tougher penalties for serious and violent and chronic offenders, or there’s a sale or production or growing of drugs that occurs and violence is present, ....then I guess that just leaves the NDP and the Greens opposed to what I would think is a no brainer.

It's not as though joe or jane schmuck is going to be locked up for possessing or smoking a joint, but it's long past time IMO that those who produce, smuggle, fight over, kill each other over, and work to get our kids started using illicit drugs (including pot) ....get taken out of circulation.

We're not talking about people here who could benefit from social and medical/pschological/couselling/life support programs, we're talking about the hard core destructive elements who prey upon the weak elements of society (and each other via turf wars, killings, etc) with money as the primary motive.

Personally, I think these crime bills will go a long way toward reducing rather than increasing pressure on our court systems and jails by going after the REAL bad guys and gals, getting them off the streets and keeping them off the streets, ....but apparently the NDP and the Greens are too narrow in their thinking to see that far. But then it's not as though their opinion really matters much anyway since the two major parties are in close agreement on the matter.

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I have to agree with Nabs in that I think you are kidding yourself if you think criminals will just up and cease to be criminals simply because dope was to be legalized. Criminals will continue to be criminals they will simply move onto whatever is the next more sinister thing they can make money at. The reason why dope is so popular is because it is so easy. It is like the low hanging fruit of the drug culture. Legalize it and they will simply move on to other criminal activities.

No to mention if you were to legalize dope you would also have to deal with all of the other societal impacts. Let’s not forget they call it dope for a reason.
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Rookie314, I am sorry about trying to speak to an adult, my point is that if they are going to change the Justice system. Which I agree with, then it must be EQUAL, and that means no special group. no one, and filling prisons with a bunch of people, that grow pot, to prove they are tough on crime has been tried in the US and it did not work. I agree fill the prisons with the people that, are the robbers, thieves, cheats who ever. A thief is a thief, whether he wears a tie, or a mask. Also I am so sick of all the people and groups that are exempt. Is that plain enough.
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johnp3 wrote:Rookie314, I am sorry about trying to speak to an adult, my point is that if they are going to change the Justice system. Which I agree with, then it must be EQUAL, and that means no special group. no one, and filling prisons with a bunch of people, that grow pot, to prove they are tough on crime has been tried in the US and it did not work. I agree fill the prisons with the people that, are the robbers, thieves, cheats who ever. A thief is a thief, whether he wears a tie, or a mask. Also I am so sick of all the people and groups that are exempt. Is that plain enough.

10 outa 10 post. that was my point
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I've got Will Smith's song in my head now. Getting Jiggy Wit It. I know it's different but somehow it triggered it!
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