InSite Safe Injections Site Closure

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WhatThe wrote:^^ sorry there Hutton , your lack of understanding of the issue is crystal clear. The conservative rhetoric is the very reason we are in this position, because others believe this as well.


I still disagree 'whatthe' you can look at the reality of it thru your rose colored glasses all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the dead end street these people CHOSE shouldn't be made COMFIER by the tax payers.
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Why the contempt Hutton ? They are someones sons, daughters, sisters ,brothers, mothers, fathers. Have you had your friends murdered or watched your daughter languish on the streets knowing she's prostituting herself for that fix? Have you watched your siblngs do the same? It may be a choice at first but it doesn't take long before it's not.
You may think it's comfier but I can assure you there is absolutly nothing comfy about living addicted on the streets. Besides insite is about prevention of blodd born disease which is everyones problem.
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WhatThe wrote:Why the contempt Hutton ? They are someones sons, daughters, sisters ,brothers, mothers, fathers. Have you had your friends murdered or watched your daughter languish on the streets knowing she's prostituting herself for that fix? Have you watched your siblngs do the same? It may be a choice at first but it doesn't take long before it's not.
You may think it's comfier but I can assure you there is absolutly nothing comfy about living addicted on the streets. Besides insite is about prevention of blodd born disease which is everyones problem.

Well lets see, ifn you are living addicted on the streets.....that was your choice no two ways about, no "poor me, I don't want to get addicted to a higly addictive drug". Secondly, perverts, pedaphiles, murderers, and even terrorists are all someones son, daughter, sister, brother, mother or father, but we don't coddle them and make it safe for them to do there things. Thirdly, if your wooried about blood born disease and crackheads....DON"T HAVE SEX WITH A CRACKHEAD!!!!!!
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hutton wrote: I still disagree 'whatthe' you can look at the reality of it thru your rose colored glasses all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the dead end street these people CHOSE shouldn't be made COMFIER by the tax payers.


So you're saying let'em rot? That kinda thinking scares me. It's very "Campbell" of you.
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It's always a CHOICE! Speaking from experience, not on the street experience but from crack addiction.
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deadscape wrote:
hutton wrote: I still disagree 'whatthe' you can look at the reality of it thru your rose colored glasses all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the dead end street these people CHOSE shouldn't be made COMFIER by the tax payers.


So you're saying let'em rot? That kinda thinking scares me. It's very "Campbell" of you.[/quAll I am saying is that there some accountability on the indavidual, and they should't be carried on the backs of the tax payer. And what scares me is the fact that after a long life of paying my mrtgage, bills, TAXES, TAXES, AND MORE TAXES, there won't be any money in CPP, even thoug I have paid into it my whole life, because the damn bleeding heart liberals have given it all a way so some useless, non-productive, disease ridden crack head can kill himself peacefully and comfortably, as he continues his habit, while we foot the bill.

that's all I am trying to say.
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The apathy of the taxpayer has allowed the needy to slip between the cracks. Will anything improve if we let those in need flounder? We need to provide the needy with better choices, more options to work their way out of the poverty trap. The "bleedin' heart liberal" is tired of paying for these services as well, but not to cut the funding and let Darwinism to take over. A different system must be sought out so that these services will be more effective, therefore lessening the need for people to rely on it. The current system doesn't provide that, but reform equals change; this is something that sends shudders up everyone's spine.

If we ignore it, things will get worse. Then we'll have even more to complain about as crime increases, drug use climbs and homelessness worsens. Fix the system and your precious CPP will have a chance to be there to help YOU.
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:sillygrin: Don't have sex with crack addict.... Way too simple way of thinking Hutton.
It involved a survey answered by almost seven hundred surgeons in training. These surgical residents were at seventeen medical centers in the United States.

Almost sixty percent said they had suffered needle stick injuries when they were in medical school. Many said they were stuck more than once.

Yet nearly half of those whose most recent incident happened in school did not report it to an employee health office. If they had, they would have been tested to see if they needed treatment to prevent an infection like H.I.V. or hepatitis. 

Most known cases of H.I.V. or hepatitis are reported, but other possible infections often are not.


please do us all a favour and read up on this issue. Addiction reaches all aspects of society and it won't go away no matter how hard ball you want to play.
your opinion is based purely on emotional misinformation. Not facts.
Prison guards? They have this issue as well.
What's truly disturbing is that the marginalized are blamed but it's govt fault for wasting taxes and not dealing with these issues.
And incidently, nice side step about your own kids being in that position. I find extemely difficult to believe you would be so callous if it was one of your own.
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finnaly we are starting to see eye to eye on something, the current system is completly F&$%ED on so many levels. However, I don't see crackheads as NEEDY. The homeless yes for not all homeless are crack heads and not ALL crack heads are homeless
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hutton wrote:... it doesn't change the fact that the dead end street these people CHOSE shouldn't be made COMFIER by the tax payers.


Hmm... This reads like the bailouts to the multinational corporations, which didn't seem to bother people as much as helping the truly needy. Society's priorities are truly warped, and unfortunately this has been perceived as the norm: Help big business, ignore the people as the wealth will 'trickle down.' 'Choice' can be such an understated word.
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I totally disagree with the bail outs as well, probably mopre so than the topic we are discussing. The wealthy need to be knocked down of there high horse and join the rest of us for a while. Tax cuts, tax breaks, and any type of bail out (hand out) should be equal and across the board...

Nothing seems to bother Canadians as nobody ever really seems to say enough is enough and stand up and do anything except bend over and take it. The people as a whole need to grow a pair and stand up and so 'NO MORE" then and ONLY then will we see change in this country.
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I agree. People do need to stand up but the problem is getting the message out there. In the glut of the information age, focusing on one issue is not a simple task for a society to take on. That's the benefit of these forums is it can get the conversation started.

However, that tact can only get things moved so far before it gets lost in the glut once again. Once the conversation starts, then comes the time to meet and have a face-to-face discussion so the circular path (that so many threads on the forum take) doesn't leave the issue as one of "whiners" of the "bleedin' hearted liberals" left-wing agenda.

Who is willing to take time out of their schedule to do something for their community. Sadly, not many but I have been for the past year or so. Truthfully, it has been the most rewarding approach I could have taken. Getting reunited with the community and opening my eyes to others that are willing to 'sacrifice' their time to provide a more livable environment.

Handouts and bailouts have accomplished little, while taking ownership of the community has provided purpose and an urge to make things better. Bringing the issue to light is tough, but keeping the idea afloat is bound with others' understanding of the issue.
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WhatThe wrote::please do us all a favour and read up on this issue. Addiction reaches all aspects of society and it won't go away no matter how hard ball you want to play.
your opinion is based purely on emotional misinformation. Not facts.
Prison guards? They have this issue as well.
What's truly disturbing is that the marginalized are blamed but it's govt fault for wasting taxes and not dealing with these issues.
And incidently, nice side step about your own kids being in that position. I find extemely difficult to believe you would be so callous if it was one of your own.


1: No $hit addiction reaches all aspects of society, but the topic of conversation is 'intervenous drug use'.
2: I was a prison guard
3: As I am a father, every step has been taken from education, prevention, guidence etc, etc to steer my child from drug use, BUT AGAIN IT COMES DOWN TO A PERSONAL CHOICE WHETHER OR NOT TO DO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. And if my child should happen to take a path involving drugs and became addicted, them every step would be taken to help them get clean before it ruins their life. BUT if they so chose not take accept that help and don't want to get clean and just continue the drug use, well again it it ANOTHER CHOICE, it would be a shame and hard to see happen, BUT SOCIETY NEEDS TO START MAKING PEOPLE ACCOUNTIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. :purefury:
If I become addicted to the thrill of driving at high speeds and then kill someone on the road should the gov't and taxpayers pay to build a race track so that I may indulge my addiction safetly??????? Should we build special facilities for pyros to burn $hit and not harm anyone??????? It is a shame but it is stupid to pour millions into people who have put themselves in their own current situation. (and again I am talking about the topic, intervenous drug users and the stupid safe sites, not all the other homeless who do need our help. speaking of which with so MANY homeless why do we have an unemployment rate at all, I would rather spend money to train these people and put an end to the unemployment )
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Arguments are not empowered by expletives. If you can't argue without them, you may not have a strong point, just strong language.

Congrats on being an attentive parent, but I can almost guarantee that those with the problems did not have that. How to fix a problem that is rooted in the past? Not a simple solution to that. However, we can work on preventative measures. As you said, education is everything and for the unhindered life is a no-brainer. Not everyone grew up in these circumstances.

As previous posts have said, at a point in drug addiction there becomes less of a choice to stop. It's a concept called neuroplasticity where the brain adjusts to the circumstances. While taking drugs, we are rolling the dice on the functioning of our neurotransmitters. When this balance is thrown off, the brain doesn't bounce back to the same decision-making machine that it once was. It has been rewired, sometimes permanently. Hence, the 'disease' model.

If life was a simple as turning a switch on and off so our lives performed better, we probably wouldn't need drugs in the first place. Read up on addictions and narcotics. Don't rely on what the media provides as a three-minute story couldn't possibly convey the full depth of the situation. Our observations are even less trustworthy as they're already painted with prejudice.
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deadscape you are correct. But the safe site plan only really helps in the prenvetion of the HIV problem with users it does nothing to deal with the root of the problem. I am sure that at these site the walls are covered with posters and facts and studies but I highly doubt that the users of the site even notice them. And they probably have counsellors on site, but do they really use them. Basically if you want your clean needle 10-15 minutes with a counsellor should be mandatory. There just has to be a better way to be more productive at dealing with the root problem.

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