The truth about missing aboriginal woman.

[the truth]

Well Donald G,

Lets say that every single person on the street is there because of abuse. So these missing Aboriginal women are all missing because of some abuse they suffered in their past which lead them to this dangerous lifestyle. What do you think the solution should be?? What should our Canadian government due to protect Aboriginal women?

nothing, this has nothing to do with the canadian govt, what kind of horrible crap is going on in so many native homes that so many of them want to live on the streets instead, look within, stop blaming everyone else

[Dawnland]

Not going to engage your entitled perspectives but contribute this article. Stop making everyone else look bad by your outdated ideas and do a little research.
This whole bull$hit story of yours Donald G was part of a sensitivity training that you were mandated to attend and those elders that were there were humoring you. How do I know? Yeah, arranged a few of those workshops myself. Those elders were doing you a favor but just played with you after that.
There are a few Aboriginal people who learned about mainstream society from residential school, but for every one of those there are five dead Aboriginal children.
Read the following article from CBC, then do a search of the effects of inter-generational trauma.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/missing-murdered-aboriginal-women-crisis-demands-a-look-at-root-causes-1.3027023

Just because you spoke to an Aboriginal person once doesn't mean you know anything.

[Smurf]

I believe these crimes are mostly crimes of opportunity. If this is even partially true then why is changing lifestyle to take away the opportunity not a viable part of the solution? Basically we have no idea ahead of time who might be a perpetrator except in the case of repeat offenders whom are being released away to often to offend again and again. However in many cases we do know who is at risk to become a victim, why does it not make sense to try to change their lifestyle to eliminate as many opportunities as possible. Maybe Steven and or Dawnland can explain why we would not take every opportunity to prevent even one of these tragedies from occurring. I am not blaming the victim for the event, I am just saying it is possible at least in some cases to prevent the incident from happening by taking away the opportunity.

I agree in a perfect world we should be able to live how we want, where we want, when we want and on and on but we do not live in a perfect world and never will as long as human beings are involved. Therefore we must do every reasonable thing to protect ourselves from the perps who will always be lurking somewhere. The real shame of it is many of them are known to police and are out there just waiting for the opportunity to re-offend. I am sorry if some people feel I am blaming the victims but that is not what I am trying to do.

[whatwhat]

I do have to agree with you Smurf, we do need to help prevent these tragedies from happening, but how?

As stated in the OP, most murders of Aboriginal (and even on-aboriginal) happen by people the victim knows, and by someone of the same race. So maybe setting up programs to help teach children about abuse to help brake that cycle may be useful. Offering more social supports for alcohol and drug use, which is high in the Aboriginal community. Offering more social supports for women who need to flee abusive relationships. Offering more supports for people with Mental Health illnesses, especially on reserves that can be in isolated areas and have minimal health care options. You are right when saying we don't really ever know who the killer is going to be until it happens. So yes, you can educate to try and break the cycle but the best bet would be to try and help these women get out of the dangerous situations. I think improving social supports for mental illness, therapy, alcohol and drug use, affordable housing, and creating safe environments for these woman is an important factor. But we need funding from the government to get these types of things going.

[Donald G]

To Dawnland ...

I do not see that the article identifies the root causes of Native women choosing a high risk lifestyle as being any different than the root causes that lead women from other ethnic backgrounds down the same trail.

The numbers of any ethnic background being in jail is a comletely different issue that can include the effects of child abuse as ONE of the root causes.

Most women who are sexually abused are living in the reserve or with their reserve family at the time of their initial sexual abuse.

If you yourself are in charge of dealing with child abuse on your reserve it is a tragedy because your posts clearly identify that you do not have the knowledge needed to do so.

[Donald G]

To Dawnland ...

Your last post reflects a lot of emotionalized innuendo that has nothing to do with the truth about missing aboriginal (and other) women. IMO more objectivity is needed if we are to continue this "discussion".

In effect you are trying to do to me what you claim that men do to abuse conditioned women; destroy their sense of self worth. WADR it does not work with people raised with respect for themselves and all others, and therein lies one of the keys to the erradication of women taking the high risk path due to child abuse.

[Dawnland]

Easy to do that from your entitled perspective.
You didn't even READ the article! It's about the subversive effects of the political system on WOMEN in Canada. Then taking this MANipulation, apply further subversion to people who are seen as second or third-class citizens.
I told you to research intergenerational trauma. You obviously didn't do that, having pre-mature posting issues?

[steven lloyd]

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[Donald G]

To Dawnland ...

I have read many articles on intergenerational trauma. I think that the collective will of the people traumatized has a great deal to do with determining the length of such effects. Every war has caused people and races to suffer the same results. Jewish people during WW11, Polish people, Hungarian people and the Scottish people who were sbject to the "clearances" underwent similar generational problems.

WADR I think that Canada has treated the "replaced" Native people very kindly and compassionately compared to almost every other situation in history where one group of migrating people have taken over the land from those who were there before. Every "country" and square foot of land in the world has suffered the same fate.

Canada is no different in that respect.

[Dawnland]

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[Donald G]

To Dawnland ...

I have no idea how your comments or those of Steven Lloyd relate to the truth about missing aborigianl women. There must be an element inherent in missing aboriginal women of which I am not aware. Interesting.

[maryjane48]

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[Jo]

To members who are dragging this down into a kindergarten fight: STOP NOW. Put your toy guns away and play like grown-ups or you will be on the moderator queue in very short order.

[Donald G]

To Dawnland ...

What can you identify in (all?) levels of government that contributes to all, including aboriginal, women going missing ??

Do you feel that there is something that the government (?) is doing or not doing that contributes to the lack of self respect inherent in almost all people who chose the high risk lifestyle that all too often results in tragedy and if so what ??

[Madhue]

To Dawnland ...

What can you identify in (all?) levels of government that contributes to all, including aboriginal, women going missing ??

Do you feel that there is something that the government (?) is doing or not doing that contributes to the lack of self respect inherent in almost all people who chose the high risk lifestyle that all too often results in tragedy and if so what ??

ask me...