The truth about missing aboriginal woman.

[Madhue]

To Madhue ...

WADR I have no intention of entering into a discussion with a person who does not accept the reality that being abused during their formative years was the main cause of the women being at the Pig Farm and that the actions of Willy Picton were a direct result of mental challenges mixed with severe child abuse. That is like someone requesting studies that prove it is daylight in Canada at twelve noon.
blah blah blah.....

smartest thing you done so far in this post is avoid debating me on this subject.

I accept your concession. don't bother posting anything to me if you lack the ability to accept this challenge it speaks volumes.. don't waste my time or others.






Now for the remainder of the folks following this thread; if what Donald G is suggesting as 100% accurate why is he the ONLY Human Being that has figured this out? Think about it for a second... we resolve one issue, and save generations of people from disrepair.

My proposition is this there are a plethora of contributing factors, layers deep and each situation is as individual as a snowflake. What we have is a marginalized population, with many tiers of support systems that continuously fail them.
We have legal systems that don't antiquity protect them, or harm them, policing systems that provide substandard levels supports or victimize them further. We live in a Country that not only created a Law based on a persons 'Race' but instructed women within that law on how to conduct themselves... "being of good moral fibre". Laws created stripped many women from Matricidal roles in their communities and women that failed to accept "their place" were reported and shipped off..
Other contributing factors as the Reserve System, Residential School Syndrome, a History of Gender Biased Laws in Canada, Canadians General "racial" biases, Poverty, issues within education, Employment, Mental Health issues, Substance Misuse, FAS Spectrum Disorders, and this list goes on...

one common thread throughout all these contributing factors? we have systems set up to address these situations, its true... and everyone of these systems are failing Aboriginal Women in Canada. With each system is a battery of rationales, from under funding, to politics to lack of accountability, trust in system... there is no Silver Bullet nor is there a Golden Answer. But Blame that's easy.... We as a society are failing this population. Its our fault, when we allow this volume of women to be disposable, well its our fault.

We have to own that, we cant blame them for being junkies, prostitutes, victims of abuse, for not being the Pocahontas we'd like them to be... we can no long pawn this off as "well if those Indians would just get their crap together" or "hey its because they sexually abuse each other as children... you know how those Indians are...." We need to hold systems accountable, we need to address the racial divide that truly exists. We need to ensure funding sources are adequate and are effective. We need to make sure that Band Councils, Municipal, Provincial/ Territorial and Federal Governments see this a Primary issue needing to be addressed and commit to it even if it takes generations.

we can no long see our women, This is unacceptable

" it, it isn’t really high on our radar, to be honest ..` PM Harper on Missing/ Murdered Native Women in Canada"

this is our Nations Shame.

[Donald G]

The following LITTLE WARRIORS STUDY was done in Edmonton. There is a higher correlation between street level prostitutes, such as those who ended up at the Pig Farm, and child sexual assault then for all prostitutes.

» Canadian Statistics

» Prevalence: Overall
» Consequences – Individual
» Consequences – Societal
» Perpetrator Profiles


Canadian Statistics

Prevalence: Overall

1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys experience an unwanted sexual act.
Source: Child Sexual Abuse (The Canadian Badgley Royal Commission, Report on Sexual Offences Against Children and Youths), 1984. (pg. 175)

4 out of 5 incidents of sexual abuse will occur before the age of 18.
Source: Child Sexual Abuse (The Canadian Badgley Royal Commission, Report on Sexual Offences Against Children and Youths), 1984. (pg. 175).

95% of child sexual abuse victims know their perpetrator.
Source: Child Sexual Abuse (The Canadian Badgley Royal Commission, Report on Sexual Offences Against Children and Youths), 1984. (pg. 215-218).

Children and youth under 18 years of age are at greatest risk of being sexually assaulted by someone they know.
Source: Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile 2007. Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. Catalogue No. 85-224-XIE, ISSN 1480-7165. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. 2007. (pg 6, 21).

While children and youth under the age of 18 represent only one-fifth of the population, (21%) they were victims in 61% of all sexual offences reported to police in 2002. (A total of 8,800 sexual assaults against children and youth were reported to police, 2,863 of which were sexual assaults against children and youth by family members.)
Source: Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics – Statistics Canada Catalogue No. 85-002-XIE, Vol. 23. no. 6. Released July 2003. (pg. 7, 34)

In 2005, the rate of sexual assault against children and youth was over five times higher than for adults (206 children and youth victims compared to 39 adult victims for every 100,000 people.)
Source: Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile 2007. Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. Catalogue No. 85-224-XIE, ISSN 1480-7165. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. 2007. (pg. 20)

In 2005, girls under 18 years experienced rates of sexual assault that were almost four times higher than their male counterparts. (For every 100,000 young females there were 320 victims of sexual assault, compared to a rate of 86 male victims for every 100,000 young males.)
Source: Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile 2007. Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. Catalogue No. 85-224-XIE, ISSN 1480-7165. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. 2007. (pg. 21).

Sexual assault against children by family members was more then three times higher for female victims than for male victims (108 compared with 32 incidents per 100, 000 population). (Rates of sexual assault are higher for female victims than for male victims regardless of the relationship to the accused.)
Source: Family Violence in Canada: A Statistical Profile 2007. Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. Catalogue No. 85-224-XIE, ISSN 1480-7165. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. 2007. (pg. 22).

54% of girls under 21 have experienced sexual abuse; (22% of these female victims reported two or more sexual offences.)
31% of boys under 21 have experienced sexual abuse; (7% of these male victims reported two or more sexual offences.)
Source: Child Sexual Abuse (The Canadian Badgley Royal Commission, Report on Sexual Offences Against Children and Youths), 1984. (pg 180).

60% of all reported sexual assaults are against children.
Source: Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. (2001). Family violence in Canada: A statistical profile 2001. Catalogue no. 85-224-XIE. Ottawa: Government of Canada (pg. 13)
30-40% of sexual assault victims are abused by a family member.
Non-parental relatives – 35%
Friends and Peers – 15%
Stepfathers – 13%
Biological Fathers – 9%
Other Acquaintances – 9%
Boyfriend/Girlfriend of Biological Parent – 5%
Biological Mother – 5%
Source: Canadian Incidence Study (CIS) of Reported Child Abuse and Neglect – 2003: Major Findings Minister of Public Works and Government Services Canada. 2005. (pg.52)

Very few cases (2%) of substantiated sexual abuse involve a stranger.
Source: Canadian Incidence Study (CIS) of Reported Child Abuse and Neglect – 2003: Major Findings Minister of Public Works and Government Services Canada. 2005. (pg.52)

Child and youth victims who were sexually assaulted by family members were on average 9 years old compared to 12 years old for victims of non-family members.
Source: Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics. (2002). Family violence in Canada: A statistical profile 2002. Catalogue no. 85-224-XIE. Ottawa: Government of Canada (pg. 35).

64% of sexual offences reported to police took place in a residence
26% took place in public and open areas, and
11% took place in commercial places.
Source: Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics – Statistics Canada Catalogue No. 85-002-XIE, Vol. 23. no. 6. Released July 2003 (pg. 9)

Boys 4-7 years of age were 3 times more often the victims of sexual abuse than boys of other ages.
Girls aged 4-7 and 12-17 were twice as likely to be victims of sexual abuse as girls aged 0-3 and 8-11.
Source: The Juristat presents Child Maltreatment in Canada – Canadian Incidence Study of Reported Child Abuse and Neglect. Authors: Nico Trocmé and David Wolfe. Ottawa, Ontario: Minister of Public Works and Government Services Canada, 2001. (pg. 24)
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Consequences – Individual

70% of sexual abuse survivors report excessive use of drugs & alcohol.
Source: Darkness to Light

60% of women with panic disorder are victims of child sexual abuse.
Source: Kaplan and Sadock's Synopsis of Psychiatry: Behavioral Sciences/Clinical Psychiatry, 2007

76% of prostitutes have a history of child sexual abuse.
Source: Health Canada, Adult Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse, Information from the National Clearinghouse on Family Violence, 1993

Child victims of sexual abuse have been found to display a wide range of symptomology, such as: low self-esteem, guilt, self blame, social withdrawal, marital and family problems, depression, somatic complaints, difficulties with sexuality, eroticized behaviour and irrational fears.
Source: C. Cahill, S. Llewelyn & C. Pearson (1991). Longterm Effects of Sexual Abuse Which Occurred in Childhood: Review. British Journal of Clinical Psychology, 30: 117-130

There has been retrospective correlation of psychiatric disorders in adulthood with unwanted childhood sexual experiences.
Source: R.L. Palmer, D.A. Chaloner &R. Oppenheimer (1992). Childhood Sexual Experiences with Adults Reported by Female Psychiatric Outpatients. British Journal of Psychiatry, 160: 261-5.

The long-term consequences of childhood sexual experiences with adults have been demonstrated to include, anxiety, deliberate self-harm, depression, difficulties in interpersonal relationships, eating disorders, poor self-esteem, prostitution, and sexual dysfunction.
Source: R.L. Palmer, D.A. Chaloner &R. Oppenheimer (1992). Childhood Sexual Experiences with Adults Reported by Female Psychiatric Outpatients. British Journal of Psychiatry, 160: 261-5.

Women who reported sexual abuse histories were more likely to report suicidal ideation at the time of hospitalization and a history of multiple suicide attempts.
Source: Preliminary Report on Childhood Sexual Abuse, Suicidal Ideation, and Suicide Attempts Among Middle-Aged and Older Depressed. Nancy Talbot, Paul Duberstein, Christopher Cox, Diane Denning, Yeates Conwell. Accepted April 8, 2003. From the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry, Rochester, NY and the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development.
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Consequences – Societal

Although it is not possible to measure the personal and social costs of sexual abuse and exploitation of children and youth, most people would agree they are enormous. There are also financial costs to society as a whole. According to the Day model, which measures the judicial, social services, education, health, employment and personal costs of violence:

The total costs of child abuse (including child sexual abuse) are estimated to be $15,705,910,947 annually.

Costs of Child Abuse in Canada
Judicial
$616,685,247
Social Services
$1,178,062,222
Education
$23,882,994
Health
$222,570,517
Employment
$1,299,601,383
Personal
$2,365,107,683
TOTAL
$15, 705,910,047
Source: Audra Bowlus, Katharine McKenna, Tanis Day and David Right, The Economic Costs and Consequences of Child Abuse in Canada (Ottawa: Law Commission of Canada, 2003). Found on Department of Justice Canada Website (article titled: Sexual Abuse and Exploitation of Children and Youth: A Fact Sheet from the Department of Justice Canada)

The estimated annual cost of child sexual abuse in Canada exceeds $3.6 billion CAD. Each youth suicide costs $640,000 to $3,000,000.
Source: Hankivsky, O. (2003, forthcoming). Preliminary cost estimates of child sexual abuse Canada. Ottawa, ON: Health Canada.

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Perpetrator Profiles

At the national level, between 15% and 33% of all sex offences in Canada are committed by persons under 21 years of age.
Prison statistics demonstrate that one in seven of those imprisoned for sexual offences against children was under the age of 21.
Source: Adolescent Sex Offenders. (1997) National Clearinghouse on Family Violence. Cat. H72-22/3-1997E. ISBN 0-662-18255-3. (pg. 2)

Some offenders have abused more than 70 children before any of the victims disclose their abuse. In cases in which one offender has abused a larger number of victims, the abused children are more likely to be male.
Source: Child Youth Mental Services, British Columbia Ministry of Health, Multiple Victim Child Sexual Abuse: The impact on Communities and Implications for the Intervention Planning, Ottawa: Health Canada, Supply and Services Canada, 1994 (pg. 6)
More than 40% of convicted child molesters were sexually abused as children. They tended to choose victims close to the age at which they were first victimized.
Source: D.M. Greenberg, J.M. Bradford and S. Curry, “A comparison of sexual victimization in the childhoods of pedophiles and hebephiles,” Journal of Forensic Sciences 38(2) 1993, (pg. 434)
Recent Studies

What Treatments are Available for Childhood Sexual Abuse, and How do They Compare?
Farrel Greenspan, Andreia G. Moretzsohn, Peter H. Silverstone

Department of Psychiatry, University of Alberta 8440‐112 Street, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6G 2B7 Published in the International Journal of Advances in Psychology (IJAP) Volume 2 Issue 4, November 2013

95% Of Child Sexual Abuse Cases Go Unreported

A new study, funded by Little Warriors and conducted at the University of Alberta has shed light on the prevalence and effects of child sexual abuse, as well as the need for programs that help adults recognize the signs.

The study conducted by Erin Martin and Dr. Peter Silverstone of the departments of Psychiatry and Neuroscience at the University of Alberta and published in the online academic journal: Frontiers in Psychiatry has highlighted three key findings as a result of the study.

The study finds that girls are more likely to be sexually abused than boys (15% and 6% respectively). This estimate includes sexual abuse involving contact and not sexual abuse involving non-contact, such as exposure to pornography.
It appears that more than 95% of cases are never reported to authorities and occur “below the surface.”
Programs to help adults identify the signs and symptoms of sexual abuse need urgently to be developed and promoted.
“Child sexual abuse is an epidemic that is affecting more children than we know,” said Glori Meldrum, founder and chair of Little Warriors. “We hope that a study like this will make more people understand the need for the services we provide.”

To conduct this study, researchers looked at two key databases and conducted manual searches of the publications Child Sexual Abuse and Journal of Child Sexual Abuse including articles from 1990 to 2012, and national incidence studies and prevalence studies.

To learn more about this study, please visit frontiersin.org.

[Donald G]

An Ongoing American Study on Postitution and Child sexual abuse;

Prostitution Facts*

The estimated age of entry into child prostitution is 12 years old, while girls as young as 9 years old have been known to be recruited for prostitution. (FBI Audit Report 09-08) Most of these girls were recruited or coerced into prostitution. Others were "traditional wives" without job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and went into prostitution to support themselves and their children. (Denise Gamache and Evelina Giobbe, Prostitution: Oppression Disguised as Liberation, National Coalition against Domestic Violence, 1990)

Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes," Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133; C. Bagley and L Young, 1987, "Juvenile Prostitution and child sexual abuse: a controlled study," Canadian Journal of Community Mental Health, Vol 6: 5-26.)

80% of prostitution survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt Minneapolis, MN)

90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).

"About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. ) Other studies report 68% to 70% of women in prostitution being raped (M Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," in A.W. Burgess, ed., Rape and Sexual Assault II, Garland Publishing, 1988; Melissa Farley and Howard Barkan, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder," 1998, Women & Health.)

78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon) 85% of prostitutes are raped by pimps. (Council on Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, 1994)

Prostitution is an act of violence against women which is intrinsically traumatizing. In a study of 475 people in prostitution (including women, men, and the transgendered) from five countries (South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, USA, and Zambia):

62% reported having been raped in prostitution. 73% reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution. 72% were currently or formerly homeless. 92% stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately. (Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426)

A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average. ( Special Committee on Pornography and Prostitution, 1985, Pornography and Prostitution in Canada 350.) In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine.)

* Go get an update for these statistics, please go to
http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/Pro ... -21-12.pdf

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These facts are excerpted with permission from the Prostitution Fact Sheet, compiled by Melissa Farley, at the Prostitution Research & Education site, http://www.prostitutionresearch.com


And with that I will opt out of this string for a while and hear what others have to say.

Sorry for being so long winded and dogmatic, but child sexual abuse is so prevalent, destructive and costly to Canada that I sometimes get on a soapbox. I have waited 20 years for the situation to change and am horrified to learn that many people, including professionals, are still oblivious to the whole situation.

[maryjane48]

Justin Trudeau's MMIW inquiry should be family-driven, organizers say
http://www.cbc.ca/news/aboriginal/justi ... -1.3297861
Shared via the CBC News Android App

[Donald G]

The facts are already known about the cause of missing or murdered women. Trudeau may "play politics" with the basic causes, as clearly identified on this string a few pages back and spend taxpayers money to hold another inquiry but it will not surface anything other than what is already known.

The people most responsible for the causes are, just as in any community, the most vociferous about "someone else" doing something about the situation that they themselves are perpetuating and enabling to be perpetuated.

I can only conclude that "give us money" is the motivation of those involved and their lawyers.

Reality is not involved in very much of what is being falsely alleged by such groups.

[Rosemary1]

According to reported statistics beween 1980-2012 17% of murdered men were aboriginal. Amongst murdered women, aboriginal women represented 14% . The solve rate for aboriginal and non-aboriginal women is very similar 88%-90%. It's also been reported that 70% of the crimes are committed by other aboriginals. And missing and murdered aboriginal have a higher rate than rest of population. There have been many other reports and studies done. So this begs the questions
1. If an inquiry is needed for the women, why not the men?
2. What is the objective of an inquiry? If its to examine root causes what new outcome is expected other than usual response to all aboriginal issues (history of colonialism, , generational PTSD, racism, not enough money for social programs, education etc.)
3. Doubt that the communities and family are prepared to also look honestly and hard within themselves for their possible contribution in failing some of their missing and murdered loved ones.
3. In the end, the conclusion seems predictable- more money needed. So why not just save the expense of an inquiry and add it to the extra funding that has already been demanded

More funding all around may be needed but until there are clear measures of accountability and transparency with measurable and tracked outcomes, there are unfortunately no guarantees that this sad situation will be resolved anytime soon.

[maryjane48]

Tories To Support Inquiry Into Missing, Murdered Indigenous Women - http://huff.to/1kBhssZ





looks like rona always was for this and coud not say anything because herr harper would not allow it

[maryjane48]

Police Treat Indigenous Cases As 'Less Than Worthy Victims': Lawyer - http://huff.to/1Ph602N




sad but no surprise as proved by some the posters on here . most of us already knew the truth , but some still choose to be ignorant

[Donald G]

To maryjane48 ...

And what is this omnipotent "truth" that you speak of,except your false opinion that the youth did not drown.

[maryjane48]

who should head the inquiry don g ? and as far as your other comment it is clear the cops involed in the link i provided didnt care if the victims died . you cant argue facts and if you try , then your in fantasy again .


respond to the li k don g prove it false if you can with facts , not your opinion .

[Donald G]

A Lawyer hoping to collect money from the police or Government is hardly a credible witness as to what the police do or do not think or do in regard to individual women going missing, a few of which are aboriginal. As you said, fairy land.

As identified a number of times on this string the false allegation that an inordinately large percentage of aboriginal women, as compared to other ethnicities, can not be supported. But it keeps being repeated in the apparent false hope that people will believe the completely false information.

[maryjane48]

rona ambrose supports the inquiry and you havne answered who should head the inquiry don g

[Rosemary1]

Its expected that a 2 year inquiry will cost about $40m. It does not address the issue of missing and murdered men, nor aboriginal children. What do we really expect to learn that the other 57-59 studies, have not largely identified?

In the end another $40m will be added to previous $50m or so already spent on paper report - money that could have gone directly to help the children left behind, and to some immediate preventive programs.

Sure we can keep digging at more GRANULAR levels for additional insight but doubt that any new startling revelations will result. For example, detailed analysis and answers to questions like
How many graduated from high school? How many were substance abusers (alcohol or drugs)
How many had diagnosed mental illness? How many were a product of foster homes?
How many had a previous history of being a runaway?
How many were engaged in the sex trade? How many were self supporting in legitimate employment?
How many were on social assistance? ? How many had a family or social worker working with them and from what agency? (aboriginal or non-aboriginal agency)?
How many received any kind of counselling or other support from child and family services and what type was it?
How many had a history of being abused?
How many were raised mostly off reserve? How many were raised mostly on reserve?
Last but not least, how many of the above points does this group of women have in common with their non-aboriginal counterparts of missing and murdered women?

[maryjane48]

no one cares about your biases , but we might be interested in who you think should run it

[Glacier]

Native groups are now saying that they make sure that the government doesn't question insensitive questions during the inquiry. They don't want this inquiry to be a racist exercise that starts blaming first nations for these deaths.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/bri ... le27178422