Liberals back in the lead (or did they ever fall behind?)
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Re: Liberals back in the lead (or did they ever fall behind?
Carrs Landing Viking wrote:If an election were held tomorrow the Cons would win.
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wait for Nanos, they usually give the Liberals five points more than they actually poll. Which is why they missed the 2011 election so big.
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Re: Liberals back in the lead (or did they ever fall behind?
The picture of politics in Canada is much too complex for polls to capture.
The Liberals win some, lose some on pipeline politics. They have no choice but to keep to the commitment to build the TMX, just as the Conservatives would do the same.
That will definitely cost the Liberals some enthusiasm in non thinking circles.
However, the BC LEAP/NDP at war with the Alberta "working people's" NDP, and Jagmeet flopping about like a fish out of water as the NDP civil war, with pipelines and energy supply at the core, has yet to finish playing out.
There is a very good chance that the federal NDP support goes away, because a lot of "working people's" NDPers don't want anything to do with the lunatic LEAPers.
The abject failures of the BC NDP/LEAP could very quickly put the BC economy into a slide. There are signs that is developing. An economic slide in BC will be noted by the "working people's" NDPers - will they vote elsewhere, or just stay home? There is, after all, nothing like being unemployed to focus attention on the source of your bread and butter. 400,000 Canadian jobs depend on the oil sands. Notably, those jobs are not "burger flipping" jobs, they are good paying family supporting jobs.
On top of that, the BC Greens have tarnished their "high road" image, and have been central in the entire BC sordid mess. Ultimately, the BC Greens have exposed as just more political gamers.
Personally, I am hoping that this NDP civil war burns the so called party to the ground. The Canadian political landscape would be better off without them. The LEAPers can form their own party, and get zeroed in the elections. The Greens can try to out duel the LEApers for purveying nonsense, and wither away as they are in other parts of the world (finally, and thank goodness).
A socialist working peoples party could then emerge that is not stuck in the unionism of the 1960s, one that speaks to the current state of working people, without being union dominated, and with modern solutions. The major parties would have to look at their proposed solutions. Some of which could actually move the ball forward for working people, instead of the NDP/LEAP backwards so called policies.
Where the voters land will be interesting. If the TMX is making good progress, then the Conservatives will have little high calibre ammunition. So in an ironic twist, the BC LEAP/NDP are working to get a Conservative federal government.
I think what makes it a tough read is that the BC NDP/LEAP have burnt the middle ground for federal NDPers in BC. That may even work to the LIberal's advantage, although a balanced approach as McKenna is selling, is a tough sell compared to an extreme one... balanced and reasonable governance positions are boring..
The Liberals win some, lose some on pipeline politics. They have no choice but to keep to the commitment to build the TMX, just as the Conservatives would do the same.
That will definitely cost the Liberals some enthusiasm in non thinking circles.
However, the BC LEAP/NDP at war with the Alberta "working people's" NDP, and Jagmeet flopping about like a fish out of water as the NDP civil war, with pipelines and energy supply at the core, has yet to finish playing out.
There is a very good chance that the federal NDP support goes away, because a lot of "working people's" NDPers don't want anything to do with the lunatic LEAPers.
The abject failures of the BC NDP/LEAP could very quickly put the BC economy into a slide. There are signs that is developing. An economic slide in BC will be noted by the "working people's" NDPers - will they vote elsewhere, or just stay home? There is, after all, nothing like being unemployed to focus attention on the source of your bread and butter. 400,000 Canadian jobs depend on the oil sands. Notably, those jobs are not "burger flipping" jobs, they are good paying family supporting jobs.
On top of that, the BC Greens have tarnished their "high road" image, and have been central in the entire BC sordid mess. Ultimately, the BC Greens have exposed as just more political gamers.
Personally, I am hoping that this NDP civil war burns the so called party to the ground. The Canadian political landscape would be better off without them. The LEAPers can form their own party, and get zeroed in the elections. The Greens can try to out duel the LEApers for purveying nonsense, and wither away as they are in other parts of the world (finally, and thank goodness).
A socialist working peoples party could then emerge that is not stuck in the unionism of the 1960s, one that speaks to the current state of working people, without being union dominated, and with modern solutions. The major parties would have to look at their proposed solutions. Some of which could actually move the ball forward for working people, instead of the NDP/LEAP backwards so called policies.
Where the voters land will be interesting. If the TMX is making good progress, then the Conservatives will have little high calibre ammunition. So in an ironic twist, the BC LEAP/NDP are working to get a Conservative federal government.
I think what makes it a tough read is that the BC NDP/LEAP have burnt the middle ground for federal NDPers in BC. That may even work to the LIberal's advantage, although a balanced approach as McKenna is selling, is a tough sell compared to an extreme one... balanced and reasonable governance positions are boring..
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Re: Liberals back in the lead (or did they ever fall behind?
hobbyguy wrote:The picture of politics in Canada is much too complex for polls to capture.
The Liberals win some, lose some on pipeline politics. They have no choice but to keep to the commitment to build the TMX, just as the Conservatives would do the same.
I think if Justin would just get off the pot and show some backbone regarding the pipeline, it would go a long way to bringing back some voters to the fold. Lately his never-ending clown show has just turned everyone off. Enough vacuous virtue-signaling. Enough town halls. Just go and get this thing built already.
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The Green Barbarian wrote:I think if Justin would just get off the pot and show some backbone regarding the pipeline, it would go a long way to bringing back some voters to the fold. Lately his never-ending clown show has just turned everyone off. Enough vacuous virtue-signaling. Enough town halls. Just go and get this thing built already.
If you were at all following the pipeline fiasco (admittedly I am no expert) there is a pending court case to define who owns BC's coastline, the ground beneath the ocean in Juan de Fuca straight between the Vancouver Island and the Mainland. Previous rulings are looking like that might be the jurisdiction of British Columbia and not the federal government. In which case, it would be best for the Prime Minister (whatever the party) not to comment giving the perception of influence interfering and if the argument is won by the NDP, then looking like a fool (both places an undesirable political place to be). Your thoughts, Green(FYI- as a Liberal voter I am pro-pipeline with a green eye to the future)?
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Nutjob liberals gotta go. Pray for conservatives in the next election. Pray for Jagmeet to steal a good chunk of the wasted coastal hand out seeking voters.
So in short. Mr Dressup bad. Jagmeet bad but a useful idiot. Scheer bad but the clear best option of the 3 stooges
So in short. Mr Dressup bad. Jagmeet bad but a useful idiot. Scheer bad but the clear best option of the 3 stooges
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Just spoke with someone who was in India last week. They are all still talking about Justin's idiot clown show he put on while he was there. It hasn't gone away yet. The only world leader they've seen who went to such lengths to try and be "culturally appropriate" and just looked like a total clown.
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Re: Liberals back in the lead (or did they ever fall behind?
That's unfortunate,
We have toilets they could use.
We have toilets they could use.
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As I've always said & I continue to say, I don't pay attention to polls.... there is only 1 poll I do pay attention to and thats the ballot box & results of it's counting.
I don't give a damn whether people/posters like me or dislike me, I'm not on earth to win any popularity contests.
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justincase wrote:(FYI- as a Liberal voter I am pro-pipeline with a green eye to the future)?
You don't have to agree with 100% of the Liberal platform to be a supporter, which I suppose is why you clarified. I know lots of people who support the Liberals who oppose the pipeline.
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justincase wrote:The Green Barbarian wrote:I think if Justin would just get off the pot and show some backbone regarding the pipeline, it would go a long way to bringing back some voters to the fold. Lately his never-ending clown show has just turned everyone off. Enough vacuous virtue-signaling. Enough town halls. Just go and get this thing built already.
If you were at all following the pipeline fiasco (admittedly I am no expert) there is a pending court case to define who owns BC's coastline, the ground beneath the ocean in Juan de Fuca straight between the Vancouver Island and the Mainland. Previous rulings are looking like that might be the jurisdiction of British Columbia and not the federal government. In which case, it would be best for the Prime Minister (whatever the party) not to comment giving the perception of influence interfering and if the argument is won by the NDP, then looking like a fool (both places an undesirable political place to be). Your thoughts, Green(FYI- as a Liberal voter I am pro-pipeline with a green eye to the future)?
The SCOC already ruled on the subject. BC owns the SEABED, but has no jurisdiction on marine waterways, inter provincial trade, fisheries etc. The SCOC was very specific on that, and BC has no jurisdiction to impede marine traffic.
BC can say, "no you can't drill for oil in the Salish Sea seabed", bur BC can NOT stop the drill rig from passing through BC waters.
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Glacier wrote:You don't have to agree with 100% of the Liberal platform to be a supporter, which I suppose is why you clarified. I know lots of people who support the Liberals who oppose the pipeline.
I agree 100% Glacier. The Liberal party's values reach across boundaries.
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2018-03-27 Liberals 38, Conservatives 35, NDP 17, Green 6 in latest Nanos federal tracking
Looks like the negative campaigning and smear tactics are backfiring on Scheer!!!!
Trudeau within a few points of his election popularity!
Looks like the negative campaigning and smear tactics are backfiring on Scheer!!!!
Trudeau within a few points of his election popularity!
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justincase wrote:2018-03-27 Liberals 38, Conservatives 35, NDP 17, Green 6 in latest Nanos federal tracking
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As I said earlier:
wait for Nanos, they usually give the Liberals five points more than they actually poll. Which is why they missed the 2011 election so big.
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ummm people still put faith in polls? especially after what happened with obama part 2 and how incensed fox news was. and the red surge last election? fools......
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