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Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 7th, 2018, 6:40 am
by Gone_Fishin
The Prime Minister “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

By Ali Taghva - April 7, 2018


It seems like the Prime Minister is beginning to develop a Trump-like fascination with spreading fake news propagated from within the inner core of his parties establishment and supported by his preferred media sources.

Following a visit to Suncor’s Fort Hill operation, Trudeau said the Harper government failed to get major pipeline projects built because Canadians did not trust those in power “to both grow the economy and protect the environment.”

He went onto proclaim that “for 10 years, Stephen Harper’s government talked up the oilsands, but couldn’t get it done…their lack of any sort of responsibility on the environment didn’t just hurt the environment, it hurt the economy.”

How true are these claims?

Questionable enough that within minutes, Jason Kenney, leader of Alberta’s United Conservative Party and a former cabinet minister in the Harper government, tweeted that Trudeau’s claim is “demonstrably false.”

This would be fairly obvious to anyone looking without bias as under the Harper Conservative government, two entirely new oil pipelines were approved and actually built: The non-XL version of Keystone, from Alberta to Nebraska, approved in 2006, completed in 2010; and The Alberta Clipper, to Wisconsin, approved in 2008 and active in 2010.

The changeover in Line 9 taking oil west to east was also approved and activated under the Harper Tories.

In total, Alberta got an added 1.73-million barrels a day worth of pipeline capacity under the last government.


How did this false claim start?

According to the Financial Post, a cavalcade of journalists alongside federal and provincial politicians on the left helped make that happen.

First Max Fawcett, the former editor of Alberta Oil magazine, tweeting “Dear conservatives: It was Justin Trudeau and Rachel Notley that got a pipeline to tidewater. Enjoy your cognitive dissonance.”

Then a CBC TV panellist said the Tories had provincial support for federal backing but “never got it done” on pipelines.

Once on the news, Alberta’s NDP picked it up and amplified its importance with Environment Minister Shannon Phillips spreading a tweet from a Liberal activist: “So in the end, it took 2 progressive govs working together on climate change to get pipelines approved, and do what Con(servative) govs could not.”

The story at this point went onto become so viral before anyone fact checked it that even the National Post’s columnists wrote Trudeau got “a job done that Captain Oil Sands (Stephen Harper) couldn’t?” How “frustrating” for the Tories.

Moving Forward

This capacity for the Prime Minister and multiple levels of government to easily spread fake news with near to no repercussion from most mainstream outlets is a serious problem. Ideological comfort with the Prime Minister or politicians on the left should not lead journalists into a position in which they are blind to the same spreading of a false narrative that they attack the hard right for.

It’s time we hold all politicians to the same standard when it comes to facts and telling the truth.

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https://www.thepostmillennial.com/the-p ... velopment/

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 7th, 2018, 7:32 am
by NolaM
I have sent this data to every news outlet, first nation, politico and all there is ..is crickets.
It's info that gut clenches everyone.. and nobody is willing to address it.
Not sure of the linkage laws here.. but..
Do a search on the uranium content in Bitumen.
Then because they don't publish a lot on the northern oils..
Look at the uranium content of Northern coal.
They are often in close radius pf each other.
We currently have a moratorium on development of Uranium content mines in the south east BC area.
However.. take the coal, burn it and the ash is a higher concentration than any mined pre-concentrate.
That is why the Chinese and USA are fighting for our BC coal .. and Alberta oil
That is also why they don't want it processed in country.
The actual oil, gas, coal is a byproduct bonus.

How many years have coal and bitumen trains rolled through communities?
They call 'Dirty Oil' for a reason. There is a reason the gov has muzzled the science.
And a spill is a half life contamination issue.. not just a clean-up.

The question is..
Why doesn't anyone have the guts to toss that data into the conversation?

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 7th, 2018, 12:29 pm
by ferri
:topic:

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 7th, 2018, 2:57 pm
by Snowbound
NolaM wrote:I have sent this data to every news outlet, first nation, politico and all there is ..is crickets.
It's info that gut clenches everyone.. and nobody is willing to address it.
Not sure of the linkage laws here.. but..
Do a search on the uranium content in Bitumen.
Then because they don't publish a lot on the northern oils..
Look at the uranium content of Northern coal.
They are often in close radius pf each other.
We currently have a moratorium on development of Uranium content mines in the south east BC area.
However.. take the coal, burn it and the ash is a higher concentration than any mined pre-concentrate.
That is why the Chinese and USA are fighting for our BC coal .. and Alberta oil
That is also why they don't want it processed in country.
The actual oil, gas, coal is a byproduct bonus.

How many years have coal and bitumen trains rolled through communities?
They call 'Dirty Oil' for a reason. There is a reason the gov has muzzled the science.
And a spill is a half life contamination issue.. not just a clean-up.

The question is..
Why doesn't anyone have the guts to toss that data into the conversation?


Off topic for sure, but I'm curious where you dug up this gem of information? I worked in the oilsands industry and we did routine testing for NORMS (naturally occurring radioactive materials) and never in 20+ years of testing did we ever find it. You think OH&S would allow us to work around this stuff if it was even the slightest risk to the workers?

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 8th, 2018, 7:59 am
by NolaM
It is exactly on topic.
Incomplete data as put out by political selective spin.
Lying by omission is still lying.

I realize that for people working in the industry,
It's really hard to hear.
There is a wealth of studies, data online and in journals decades old,
As well as studies of aquatic and animal tumours in disturbed ground areas.
There are also several studies on US bitumen and heavy oils globally.
Ask anyone in the Edmonton oncology dept if there is a cluster.

There are a lot of other factors, but look at death actuary tables..

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 8th, 2018, 9:04 am
by common_sense_guy
NolaM wrote:I have sent this data to every news outlet, first nation, politico and all there is ..is crickets.
It's info that gut clenches everyone.. and nobody is willing to address it.
Not sure of the linkage laws here.. but..
Do a search on the uranium content in Bitumen.
Then because they don't publish a lot on the northern oils..
Look at the uranium content of Northern coal.
They are often in close radius pf each other.
We currently have a moratorium on development of Uranium content mines in the south east BC area.
However.. take the coal, burn it and the ash is a higher concentration than any mined pre-concentrate.
That is why the Chinese and USA are fighting for our BC coal .. and Alberta oil
That is also why they don't want it processed in country.
The actual oil, gas, coal is a byproduct bonus.

How many years have coal and bitumen trains rolled through communities?
They call 'Dirty Oil' for a reason. There is a reason the gov has muzzled the science.
And a spill is a half life contamination issue.. not just a clean-up.

The question is..
Why doesn't anyone have the guts to toss that data into the conversation?

So someone that sounds like they know what they're talking about because they actually worked in the industry is calling you out on your data. Do you think you could Supply it where you got your data from. I'm getting tired of people putting out information that is either slightly true or nowhere near the truth. Please Supply your sources

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 9:03 am
by bob vernon
I think that we'll see Trudeau push the pipeline through BC before his term ends. In true Liberal style, he'll attempt to be all things to all people: talking like an environmentalist and yet increasing the carbon load in the atmosphere at the same time.

*removed* Lots of consultation and talk. Afraid to make the move. Harper was all talk and just dithered forever without any action. JT will man up, shove the pipe through, and suffer the consequences of losing seats in BC. Harper was afraid to act.

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 10:48 am
by The Green Barbarian
*removed*

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 1:10 pm
by bob vernon
So Steverino did all the "heavy lifting" to get the pipeline built? No. He had that fat majority and all the Conservatives did was sit back and stall. Too busy building untendered gazebos and other waste for their party insiders.

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 1:12 pm
by The Green Barbarian
bob vernon wrote:So Steverino did all the "heavy lifting" to get the pipeline built? No. He had that fat majority and all the Conservatives did was sit back and stall. Too busy building untendered gazebos and other waste for their party insiders.


Just horse *bleep*. Pure horse *bleep*.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3455528/rob- ... ishonesty/

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 1:25 pm
by Hassel99
bob vernon wrote:So Steverino did all the "heavy lifting" to get the pipeline built? No. He had that fat majority and all the Conservatives did was sit back and stall. Too busy building untendered gazebos and other waste for their party insiders.



Total dishonesty. Your as bad as JT Bob

Your timeline does not work out.

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 9th, 2018, 3:37 pm
by Blast
https://www.ourcommons.ca/Parliamentari ... /42/1/450/

Every single Liberal MP voted against this Conservative motion to support Transmountain in February. Results at link.

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 10th, 2018, 8:42 am
by Jlabute
Every Liberal, Bloc, NDP, Independent voted against. Obviously people aren't voting by what their reasoning or conscience tells them but by how they are told to vote.
Even if Trudeau did want to see the pipeline built, he is a useless, impotent negotiator and probably does not own a suitable costume for the purpose.

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 10th, 2018, 11:13 am
by hobbyguy
I notice that many continue to look for action from JT. That's not his role. Jim Carr is the one actually doing the work in the background. If you listen to what Carr has to say, you will see that there is lots being done, but until Horgan and the idiots in the BC NDP/LEAP actually DO something, not just flap their stupid yaps, then there is no concrete action to be taken against them.

However, it looks like between the Liberals in Ottawa and the NDP "working people's party" in Alberta they will offer up financing for the pipeline and/or take a stake in it. I like the idea of the feds taking a stake in it. Then it becomes "our" pipeline, and pushes the idiots like Horgan and the LEAPers like Heyman out in the cold - may they freeze in the dark!

Re: Trudeau “Demonstrably” Lying About Pipeline Development

PostPosted: Apr 10th, 2018, 11:37 am
by Gone_Fishin
I don't think nationalisation is the answer. Never has been. Best to imprison Horgan and Weaver and their violent followers, and get on with the business of building our economy through free enterprise investment.