Sask. Bus Accident

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Well, apparently he received the harshest sentence for a non-impaired Dangerous Driving charge, ever.

He's going to get kicked from Canada, the question is when.

When the full sentence, incarceration, plus parole, plus statutory release is over ? Or once he's granted parole or statutory release.

Yes, he's in a cell, getting 3 squares, medical, laundry etc. As soon as he's completed his sentence (whatever the definition of that is) he will be back in India, not being a threat to anyone on a Canadian road, again.

It costs around $100,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail. I'd hope the minute he get any type of release, bye bye..
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my5cents wrote:Well, apparently he received the harshest sentence for a non-impaired Dangerous Driving charge, ever.

He's going to get kicked from Canada, the question is when.

When the full sentence, incarceration, plus parole, plus statutory release is over ? Or once he's granted parole or statutory release.

Yes, he's in a cell, getting 3 squares, medical, laundry etc. As soon as he's completed his sentence (whatever the definition of that is) he will be back in India, not being a threat to anyone on a Canadian road, again.

It costs around $100,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail. I'd hope the minute he get any type of release, bye bye..
I think you are forgetting all the home-grown drivers who have proven to be "threats" on our Canadian roads. You might be surprised to hear that this fellow wasn't the first truck driver to cause an accident here and he won't be the last! There are a lot of very good, professional truckers on the roads but there are a lot of really bad truckers out there too, who are either lacking training, pushing the envelope whatever the reason. I'm sure at one point or another we've all witnessed that.
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I've missed how this talk got started as to having him deported or why ? What good will it do or accomplish ?


If he somehow got a drivers licence for a Class 1 & wasn't qualified who is at fault for that ?
Our Federal & Provincial Governments allow this to happen & IMO don't want it to change ? But since this accident occurred everyone is pointing fingers & trying to tell us big changes are on the way ?

Stop allowing unqualified people to drive anything in all of Canada.
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one wheel wrote:I've missed how this talk got started as to having him deported or why ?
It's been in some of the news articles. If a sentence is of a certain length, then deportation is considered automatic once the sentence is carried out.
one wheel wrote:Stop allowing unqualified people to drive anything in all of Canada.
Our roads would be empty then :biggrin:

Seriously though, this is the issue. Training and licensing in this country is an absolute joke and needs to be revamped and taken much, much more seriously and made harder to receive a licence from Class 5 all the way to Class 1.
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OKkayak wrote: Our roads would be empty then :biggrin:

Seriously though, this is the issue. Training and licensing in this country is an absolute joke and needs to be revamped and taken much, mucdh more seriously and made harder to receive a licence from Class 5 all the way to Class 1.

And increase the penalties for all infractions. Currently, there’s not nearly enough deferent to drive as safe as one can.
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one wheel wrote:I've missed how this talk got started as to having him deported or why ? What good will it do or accomplish ?


If he somehow got a drivers licence for a Class 1 & wasn't qualified who is at fault for that ?
Our Federal & Provincial Governments allow this to happen & IMO don't want it to change ? But since this accident occurred everyone is pointing fingers & trying to tell us big changes are on the way ?

Stop allowing unqualified people to drive anything in all of Canada.
I don't think it matters if you've got an instructional license, a novice license, a class 4, 5, 6 or a Class 1. A stop sign is a stop sign. About as basic as you can get.
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my5cents wrote:Well, apparently he received the harshest sentence for a non-impaired Dangerous Driving charge, ever.

He's going to get kicked from Canada, the question is when.

When the full sentence, incarceration, plus parole, plus statutory release is over ? Or once he's granted parole or statutory release.

Yes, he's in a cell, getting 3 squares, medical, laundry etc. As soon as he's completed his sentence (whatever the definition of that is) he will be back in India, not being a threat to anyone on a Canadian road, again.

It costs around $100,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail. I'd hope the minute he get any type of release, bye bye..
Seems to me the harshest sentence will be deportation, not counting the fact that he has to live with this the rest of his life, so that being the case, how much sense does it make to incarcerate him here, at a cost of close to a million dollars, simply to send him back to India?
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Urban Cowboy wrote:Seems to me the harshest sentence will be deportation, not counting the fact that he has to live with this the rest of his life, so that being the case, how much sense does it make to incarcerate him here, at a cost of close to a million dollars, simply to send him back to India?
Well half a million, anyway.

I think we have to at least incarcerate him even at the cost. I don't think it would sit well with anyone if people in his circumstance just got deported. It would depend on what would happen to him back in his home land, I guess.

I think there are reciprocal agreements where a Canadian sentenced to something in another country can have the sentence completed in Canada, not sure how that works, sounds expensive.
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Just something to note,
I just finished my 6th season on the Iceroad north of Yellowknife.

There is 1 hill on the ice that is feared by all new drivers, but laughed at by all seniors, known as Charlie's Hill.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_Klyl98HA
I myself have never had an issue on it, however the last trip of this year the security got on the radio just as I was hitting it and needed to talk to me.

Just that 1 little distraction was all it took for me to miss a shift, making that hill a whole lot more challenging than normal.
If I was a new driver I doubt that I would have made it to the top.

So in my opinion any distraction at the wrong time while driving can be dangerous.
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one wheel wrote:I've missed how this talk got started as to having him deported or why ? What good will it do or accomplish ?


If he somehow got a drivers licence for a Class 1 & wasn't qualified who is at fault for that ?
Our Federal & Provincial Governments allow this to happen & IMO don't want it to change ? But since this accident occurred everyone is pointing fingers & trying to tell us big changes are on the way ?

Stop allowing unqualified people to drive anything in all of Canada.
I don't know that deportation in this instance will 'accomplish' anything either. However, from what I understand it is just a mandatory thing depending on the maximum sentence allowed, and/or a minimum sentence of what the person will actually serve. I believe someone said something to the effect if the charge carries a max sentence of 10 years, or the person received a sentence of 5 years or more then the deportation is mandatory, with very little hope for appeal.... I could have those time frames screwy but the gist is that the deportation isn't something a Judge is adding on summarily to the sentence he hands down....
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Has anyone read that there could be some speculation that he may have fallen asleep at the wheel but that it hasn't been said or suggested outright, and he has not said that happened?

Maybe I'm dreaming....
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With him acknowledging the problem with the tarp and getting lost I doubt he fell asleep.
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I will be very surprised if he appeals (he has 30 days to do so).

Parents of those who were killed due to actions of the truck driver, have express opinions on the sentence.
Some are unhappy others have accepted it, most I suspect are doing their best to move on.
Anyone who has lost a loved one prematurely, I'm sure can relate.

I wouldn't be surprised if some type of action is taking against owner of trucking company.
Time will tell if this does happen.
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I know the owner of the company was in court this month but haven't heard what the final decision was regarding fines.
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dle wrote:I don't know that deportation in this instance will 'accomplish' anything either. However, from what I understand it is just a mandatory thing depending on the maximum sentence allowed, and/or a minimum sentence of what the person will actually serve. I believe someone said something to the effect if the charge carries a max sentence of 10 years, or the person received a sentence of 5 years or more then the deportation is mandatory, with very little hope for appeal.... I could have those time frames screwy but the gist is that the deportation isn't something a Judge is adding on summarily to the sentence he hands down....
I think the criteria for deportation is an offence that has a maximum sentence of 10 years or being sentenced to more than 6 months.
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