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Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 12:40 pm
by GordonH
GordonH wrote:Evidence against him was overwhelming, fighting the charges impo would be futile on his part.

Added later: whatever the sentence is he should waive any rights to early parole.

Gixxer wrote:Why would he do that?


Because he's a murderer, not with a gun... with a transport truck.

Gixxer wrote:Under 2 years


Vehicular homicide maximum sentence is 14 years × number of victims = he should die in prison.
Unfortunately not in our current justice system of pampering of criminals.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 12:42 pm
by stuphoto
vegas1500 wrote:
stuphoto wrote:The way I see it a human life is worth $62.50 here in Canada.

That is the $1,000 bail he needed to stay out of prison for the last 6 months ( minus 3 days )
Divided by the 16 people he killed.

What a joke.


You clearly don’t understand what bail means.

What sort of idiot do you think we are here,
Its a jet out of jail and enjoy the holidays with your family while everyone else involved with the accident is in morning fund.

Why not try driving for a living and see how you feel in 10 years.
You will probably start to say the bail was a joke and calling him a murderer too.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:08 pm
by Gixxer
Some of the comments in here are hilarious.

1. he will not get 14 years
2. It was 1 incident not 16
3. It was not murder
4. It was an accident
5. We don't know the full details of the accident.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:11 pm
by OKkayak
the truth wrote:move on, easy for you to say --gman 313-when its not one of your loved one that was killed by this murdering goof

Its a good thing we don't let personal emotions take place over law and logic.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:25 pm
by OKkayak
the truth wrote:driving that semi when he was not trained properly to do so makes it murder in my books

Then that would make Transport Canada the true "murderer". He had the required training, he was legal.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:29 pm
by OKkayak
the truth wrote:so you get to decide how people should move on , fyi everyone is different...

So, you get to decide how the law should or should not work? FYI, laws are there for a reason.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:31 pm
by OKkayak
GordonH wrote:Because he's a murderer, not with a gun... with a transport truck.

Alright Mr. Matlock. Where is the evidence that his act was intentional to deliberately cause death?

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:43 pm
by gman313
10 points to OKKayak for applying logic and rationale thought. That is how laws are improved and the safety of the industry can be improved as a whole, for the better

:130:

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:48 pm
by GordonH
GordonH wrote:Because he's a murderer, not with a gun... with a transport truck.

OKkayak wrote:Alright Mr. Matlock. Where is the evidence that his act was intentional to deliberately cause death?

By not stopping at the clearly marked stop sign, he committed vehicular homicide (many counts).

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 2:56 pm
by OKkayak
GordonH wrote:By not stopping at the clearly marked stop sign, he committed vehicular homicide.

Which:

A) is not murder.
B) is not a legal definition in Canada. One of the correct legal definitions in Canada is Dangerous Driving Causing Death which is what he is being charged under.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 3:03 pm
by RupertBear
OKkayak wrote:
GordonH wrote:By not stopping at the clearly marked stop sign, he committed vehicular homicide.

Which:

A) is not murder.
B) is not a legal definition in Canada. One of the correct legal definitions in Canada is Dangerous Driving Causing Death which is what he is being charged under.


It's safe to say the driver is a killer, not a murderer.
Remember former Boston Bruin / Edmonton Oiler Craig McTavish? He was charged and convicted of vehicular homicide in the states and he served time.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 3:15 pm
by Gixxer
The big question is why did he run the stop sign. I believe this will be a huge factor come sentencing

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 3:22 pm
by GordonH
GordonH wrote:Evidence against him was overwhelming, fighting the charges impo would be futile on his part.

Added later: whatever the sentence is he should waive any rights to early parole.

kingsandman wrote:What "evidence"?
No one is questioning whether he was driving the truck, and right up to the exact second he plead guilty, that's all we knew for sure.

Here is a physics analysis, I've copied it from another thread.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 3:41 pm
by my5cents
stuphoto wrote:The way I see it a human life is worth $62.50 here in Canada.

That is the $1,000 bail he needed to stay out of prison for the last 6 months ( minus 3 days )
Divided by the 16 people he killed.

What a joke.


vegas1500 wrote:You clearly don’t understand what bail means.

stuphoto wrote:What sort of idiot do you think we are here,
Its a jet out of jail and enjoy the holidays with your family while everyone else involved with the accident is in morning fund.

Why not try driving for a living and see how you feel in 10 years.
You will probably start to say the bail was a joke and calling him a murderer too.


I believe what Vegas1500 was referring to is the fact that your figures don't make sense because even if he paid cash bail, when he showed up for court he'd get it all back. So bail is net zero.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 8th, 2019, 4:30 pm
by Gixxer
GordonH wrote:
GordonH wrote:Evidence against him was overwhelming, fighting the charges impo would be futile on his part.

Added later: whatever the sentence is he should waive any rights to early parole.

kingsandman wrote:What "evidence"?
No one is questioning whether he was driving the truck, and right up to the exact second he plead guilty, that's all we knew for sure.

Here is a physics analysis, I've copied it from another thread.



Its bias and doesn't take into account road conditions or time of day.