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Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 10th, 2019, 6:01 pm
by Piecemaker
None of us know what the driver of that semi feels. I highly doubt he is cavalier about it. I have a family member who was driving a truck that caused the death of one person. Not his fault in the slightest, yet he was severely traumatized. Felt guilt and second-guessed himself. He became severely depressed. Support from RCMP, Victims Services, Family, Friends and others didn't stop him from feeling responsible. I can't imagine what a driver who was responsible for a crash, whether through unintentional error or reckless behavior, would feel to have caused the death of some many and serious injuries to so many more.

Most of us like (need) to have a villain, because none of us like to think we could ever end up responsible for the death of another while we are behind the wheel.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 10th, 2019, 6:10 pm
by normaM
Truth - I appreciate the compassion you feel towards the victims and the families. Surely you don't think he got into his truck with the intent to hit a bus full of young hockey players.
It is a tragedy. For the families who mourn the lost, the poor young guys who face a Lifetime is issues from their injuries
For a nation of people who worship the game of Hockey :(
But not for a second do I believe the Trucker set out to do what horror he managed
Don't know him so cannot say if he is truly remorseful, but I highly doubt he doesn't wish he could redo that event.
I have never even hit a squirrel on the road. I don't think I could live with even that

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 8:27 am
by Ka-El
the truth wrote:
Ka-El wrote: :135: So what you're saying is that if in a moment of carelessness you killed someone (maybe didn't see a stop sign or slid on some ice?) we should have no concern for how you fell about it and just assume you have no remorse? Seriously, I bet you would have been all over the plea-bargaining thing in an attempt to do anything to save some of your butt.

this story is not about me its about him killing 16 people, try not to feel to sorry for the families that lost a loved one

Just illustrating how clear it is to everyone what your motivation is in suggesting the driver has no remorse. Carry on :smt045

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 2:58 pm
by the truth
so you know for a fact he has true remorse , your friends he told you so---not---

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 3:23 pm
by ferri
Do not start making this personal. Stay on topic. There is always room on the queue.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 4:27 pm
by gman313
So those who feel the power to judge

should the Ottawa bus driver who just put nine people in the hospital with critical injuries, do to his inability to handle a double decker bus, also be locked up for life? I'm sure a couple won't make it so it will be murder as you all think

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 4:37 pm
by RupertBear
gman313 wrote:So those who feel the power to judge

should the Ottawa bus driver who just put nine people in the hospital with critical injuries, do to his inability to handle a double decker bus, also be locked up for life? I'm sure a couple won't make it so it will be murder as you all think


I expect the police to carry out a thorough investigation, and if the findings indicate any blame on the part of the driver for the crash, then I do expect charges to be laid.
According to witnesses, the bus hit a patch of ice as it approached the bus shelter.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 4:46 pm
by oldtrucker
Let's say that on Saturday I know I have do a coast rounder in a semi. I know that it will take a minimum of 13 hours and that I will be fatigued and could be considered as impaired as if I had 3 drinks by hour 13. I have already worked 55 hours this week and I worked 14 hours on Friday but didn't get much sleep that night. I called my employer to tell them that I am tired and ask if I can get Saturday off....answer- no or... lose my job. I am not going to work on Saturday with the intent of getting into a accident and killing anyone or murdering anyone.
On Saturday there is a blizzard and lots of traffic, so my day is 16 hours long. I'm late and others are waiting for my freight, I can't pull over for a rest anyway if I wanted to because I'm in a day cab. I nod off for a brief instant in a 'micro sleep' from fatigue and my 45 ton truck crushes a minivan and I kill a entire family.
Murder?

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 4:56 pm
by RupertBear
oldtrucker wrote:Let's say that on Saturday I know I have do a coast rounder in a semi. I know that it will take a minimum of 13 hours and that I will be fatigued and could be considered as impaired as if I had 3 drinks by hour 13. I have already worked 55 hours this week and I worked 14 hours on Friday but didn't get much sleep that night. I called my employer to tell them that I am tired and ask if I can get Saturday off....answer- no or... lose my job. I am not going to work on Saturday with the intent of getting into a accident and killing anyone or murdering anyone.
On Saturday there is a blizzard and lots of traffic, so my day is 16 hours long. I'm late and others are waiting for my freight, I can't pull over for a rest anyway if I wanted to because I'm in a day cab. I nod off for a brief instant in a 'micro sleep' from fatigue and my 45 ton truck crushes a minivan and I kill a entire family.
Murder?


That's a good question. I would think the ultimate blame rests with the driver -- even though he's operating at the risk of losing his job -- but the resulting investigation should also nail the employer to the wall.
At the end of the day, that's little comfort to the family in the minivan.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 5:04 pm
by the truth
so, using your example then since you knew you should not of been driving is it murder ?

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 5:10 pm
by the truth
gman313 wrote:So those who feel the power to judge

should the Ottawa bus driver who just put nine people in the hospital with critical injuries, do to his inability to handle a double decker bus, also be locked up for life? I'm sure a couple won't make it so it will be murder as you all think



you say inability to handle the double decker bus :200: i see gross negligence

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 6:14 pm
by Piecemaker
We don't know what happened yet in Ottawa accident. Ice? Vehicle malfunction? Someone grab the driver's arm? Medical incident...and so on.
Neither that driver or the one driving in Saskatchewan are guilty of murder from the information we have.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 11th, 2019, 6:47 pm
by GordonH
Piecemaker wrote:We don't know what happened yet in Ottawa accident. Ice? Vehicle malfunction? Someone grab the driver's arm? Medical incident...and so on.
Neither that driver or the one driving in Saskatchewan are guilty of murder from the information we have.


What we do know is 16 people were killed & 13 injured on that Saskatchewan highway. This crash was totally preventable, all that needed to happen was for the truck driver to stop at the clearly marked stop sign. Instead he took a chance no one was ending north at that time, since he could see nothing heading south.

30 families lives have been turned upside down, never to be the same ever.

I fully admit to being mad as hell at the stupidity of the truck driver (still I'm), and wanting him charged with at least 2nd degree murder x16.
That's not going to happen.... I've known that the whole time, just wishful thinking.

Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 12th, 2019, 12:51 am
by OKkayak
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Re: Sask. Bus Accident

PostPosted: Jan 12th, 2019, 1:24 am
by dirtybiker
Sure nice for some here to be so blessed as to never having a
screw up.
Never rolled a stop sign, hit throttle instead of brake at that late amber.
Snuck a line when the mustard dripped.

Oh to be so blessed...

People have been known to inadvertently screw up.
When it involves 140.000 lbs, it's bad.
If it woulda been Joe Harley blowing the STOP and being mowed down
woulda hardly made the third page.

Guy just gets thrown the keys to a 82', 63.5 metric tonne Pete and then
likely given a forced dispatch.
Oh, and as green as grass, really bad combo right there.


I truly feel bad for all involved, including the guy from the truck.

If he manages to get past suicide and actually build a life......