Sask. Bus Accident

[stuphoto]

In the video the hill looks like about 6 % and about 120 meters bottom to top...ish? Looks like you could get away with a set of singles.
Don't worry about missing a gear once in a while... If you concentrate to hard and for to long on driving your brain will melt.

For the most part no chains allowed, 1997 Mack with a 427. No lockers.
Plus I only run tankers.

This trip wasn't too bad, since I was actually hauling fuel.
I did some trips hauling lube oil.
2 walk through tankers. No Baffles, 1 compartment 3/4 of the way full.
Want to talk about fun. You didn't dare stop facing uphill or you may weren't going to lift off.

[dle]

Another fatal semi accident this past weekend:

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... in-head-on



This is the link to sign Petition E-2005 in the House of Commons - I hope I am not breaking any forum rules by posting this.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Peti ... ion=e-2005



Briefly, this is what the Petition is calling for:


Petition to the House of Commons in Parliament assembled

Whereas:

The Class 1 licensing system does not ensure that Class 1 licence holders are adequately educated or trained to safely operate a commercial truck or commercial truck/trailer unit on public roadways;

As it is today, in some provinces and territories in Canada, a Class 1 licence holder can pass a Class 1 licensing test without mandatory education or training;

A Class 1 test can be taken with a day cab and flat deck trailer with little or no weight (depending on the provincial regulations), and the following day a newly licensed driver can take that licence and haul a load weighing over 63,000 kg across Canada on some of the most treacherous roads in the world; and

Professional truck driving is a very dangerous occupation and should be considered a skilled trade.

We, the undersigned, Citizens of Canada, call upon the House of Commons in Parliament assembled to:

1. Regulate the Class 1 commercial licensing process to be considered a nation wide skilled trade of professional drivers;

2. Modify the National Occupational Classification Code (NOC) to give individuals the opportunity to qualify for funding to support their training;

3. Develop and implement a common mandatory entry-level training curriculum and a graduated licensing system for Class 1 licence candidates; and

4. Require licensing bodies to collect and store information on the training provider and duration of training to be associated with the record of each commercial driver.


If you feel that you wish to sign the Petition and/or pass it on to all your friends and family, please do so by May 14, 2019.

Maybe we can help make the roads safer.

[the truth]

I will be very surprised if he appeals (he has 30 days to do so).

Parents of those who were killed due to actions of the truck driver, have express opinions on the sentence.
Some are unhappy others have accepted it, most I suspect are doing their best to move on.
Anyone who has lost a loved one prematurely, I'm sure can relate.

I wouldn't be surprised if some type of action is taking against owner of trucking company.
Time will tell if this does happen.

i will be shocked if he does not appeal it.....

[stuphoto]

Another fatal semi accident this past weekend:

https://www.castanet.net/news/Penticton ... in-head-on



This is the link to sign Petition E-2005 in the House of Commons - I hope I am not breaking any forum rules by posting this.

https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Peti ... ion=e-2005



Briefly, this is what the Petition is calling for:


Petition to the House of Commons in Parliament assembled

Whereas:

The Class 1 licensing system does not ensure that Class 1 licence holders are adequately educated or trained to safely operate a commercial truck or commercial truck/trailer unit on public roadways;

As it is today, in some provinces and territories in Canada, a Class 1 licence holder can pass a Class 1 licensing test without mandatory education or training;

A Class 1 test can be taken with a day cab and flat deck trailer with little or no weight (depending on the provincial regulations), and the following day a newly licensed driver can take that licence and haul a load weighing over 63,000 kg across Canada on some of the most treacherous roads in the world; and

Professional truck driving is a very dangerous occupation and should be considered a skilled trade.

We, the undersigned, Citizens of Canada, call upon the House of Commons in Parliament assembled to:

1. Regulate the Class 1 commercial licensing process to be considered a nation wide skilled trade of professional drivers;

2. Modify the National Occupational Classification Code (NOC) to give individuals the opportunity to qualify for funding to support their training;

3. Develop and implement a common mandatory entry-level training curriculum and a graduated licensing system for Class 1 licence candidates; and

4. Require licensing bodies to collect and store information on the training provider and duration of training to be associated with the record of each commercial driver.


If you feel that you wish to sign the Petition and/or pass it on to all your friends and family, please do so by May 14, 2019.

Maybe we can help make the roads safer.

I couldn't open the link but was able to copy and paste the address.

My first job driving truck was hauling milk from the farms to the dairy.
So absolutely no baffles in the food grade tanks, often single compartment trailers.
You will have tidal waves going through your trailer if you ever try it.

To be honest it is not a job that a rookie driver should do, but I had to start somewhere.
At least that company actually did give me a couple weeks training with 2 very seasoned drivers.

The reason I am mentioning this is it taught me to learn how to not only drive to the conditions, but also drive according to the load.
If all drivers would do the same there would be little to no rollovers.

[the truth]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#252540 he better do jail time

[GordonH]

Since the trucking industry travels across Canada, instead of each province having licensing & regulations. Which could be different from province to province.

impo after what happened in this tragedy, licensing, training & regulations should be taken over by the Feds. So everything is the same from sea to sea to sea, this includes workable hours (this also includes rest time that is needed).

Trucking company mentality of who cares about the driver the trailer needs to be delivered the faster the better.
This cr :cuss:p needs to come to a sudden stop.

[dirtybiker]

I''ll cherry pick a few points from an excellent article I read on
the subject matter that raises some very valid questions and
concerns.
From the article "National Kneejerk" by Scott Casey
[start]
Before any program can be launched, research and understanding of how other facets
of the industry will be impacted, both negatively and positively, needs to be conducted.
Many questions must be answered. But in the cart before the horse adage, those answers
have not been collected before the announcements were made.

What about those drivers already out there? Do they continue, grandfathered by their experience?
Who follows up on training? Is there criteria list for accredited schools?
The list of questions unanswered goes beyond the trucking industry itself.

Who decides whether a shipper must use an accredited school graduate or not?
How will the economy survive while this monumental crisis of qualified drivers
takes place?
While the proposed training occurs, will drivers who are not trained, but still driving,
be operating illegally? What are the penalties for violating? What are the penalties for those
companies that refuse to comply? What are the penalties for shippers who use
untrained operators?
Will there be a National Registry for approved companies?
Will there be a tax credit for companies getting on board?

In the past provinces have been responsible for the level of driver standards.
How does the federal government propose to remove that liberty from
provinces in only one aspect of licencing drivers in each province?
I ask this because you can't very well train one level of driver and expect the
other drivers to know how to interact with each other. That occurs even today
with the lack of driver training which currently exists at ALL levels on our
roadways.

Which leads us to the statistics side of the equation, because you know
(cynically), that statistics are the driving force in the fair and equitable
implementation of standards.
There is a rash of horrific truck crashes, I acknowledge that. When you deal
with immense weights and speed, you are going to have larger scale damage.
But trucks are not the biggest offenders on the road, in fact they are the safest.

I'm an advocate for a high level of commercial driver training, but if we use
statistics to solely make the decisions on who gets trained, and not the emotional
impact by the few tragic events, then those who currently hold a passenger
vehicle licence should be the first to feel the crunch.

The federal government is not going to touch that with a ten foot pole.
So for them to come out with the savior of all highway safety plans
without addressing the questions and the hard truths of life on the
highway, then come 2020 we will see a combination of kneejerk reactions
to a process that was implemented with only the thought of how pretty they
think they will look come election day. [end]

I'll thank Scott Casey for penning a thought provoking article.
I did slightly more than cherry pick as to leave out some portions would
have diminished it's whole.

[dle]

Since the trucking industry travels across Canada, instead of each province having licensing & regulations. Which could be different from province to province.

impo after what happened in this tragedy, licensing, training & regulations should be taken over by the Feds. So everything is the same from sea to sea to sea, this includes workable hours (this also includes rest time that is needed).

Trucking company mentality of who cares about the driver the trailer needs to be delivered the faster the better.
This cr :cuss:p needs to come to a sudden stop.

Hope you signed the Petition for the House of Commons I posted in this thread - it's one way we can be heard loud and clear if enough people sign it....

[gman313]

No way I would sign it. There is no way the NOC code should be changed it is good where it is.

[RupertBear]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#252540 he better do jail time

I too would like to see money-hungry operators across the country face jail time. Cutting corners like this is putting the driving public at risk for the opportunity to make a few extra bucks.
Unfortunately, I believe with infractions like these, punishment is restricted to fines, driving suspensions and perhaps a loss of license.

[Fancy]

It was already established there would be fines. I don't know why anyone would think he would go to jail considering what the charges were.

Singh, 37, was fined a total of $5,000. The Calgary-based trucking company is no longer in business.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/owner-of- ... -1.4354109

Crown prosecutor Deanna Smyth told court that the fines are much lower than the maximum allowed, but noted Singh had no previous record and his offences weren't criminal.

Canada's transportation ministers have agreed to develop an entry-level national training standard for semi-truck drivers. Federal Transport Minister Marc Garneau has said it will be in place by next January.

[dirtybiker]

No way I would sign it. There is no way the NOC code should be changed it is good where it is.

I'll also not sign it. Too many unanswered questions as to how it can be feasibly implemented.

It needs to hold insight and logic, not just based on emotion and electoral platform.

[Fancy]

I don't see what the petition will do when changes are already being implemented.

[GordonH]

I''ll cherry pick a few points from an excellent article I read on
the subject matter that raises some very valid questions and
concerns.
From the article "National Kneejerk" by Scott Casey
[start]
Before any program can be launched, research and understanding of how other facets
of the industry will be impacted, both negatively and positively, needs to be conducted.
Many questions must be answered. But in the cart before the horse adage, those answers
have not been collected before the announcements were made.

What about those drivers already out there? Do they continue, grandfathered by their experience?
Who follows up on training? Is there criteria list for accredited schools?
The list of questions unanswered goes beyond the trucking industry itself.

Who decides whether a shipper must use an accredited school graduate or not?
How will the economy survive while this monumental crisis of qualified drivers
takes place?
While the proposed training occurs, will drivers who are not trained, but still driving,
be operating illegally? What are the penalties for violating? What are the penalties for those
companies that refuse to comply? What are the penalties for shippers who use
untrained operators?
Will there be a National Registry for approved companies?
Will there be a tax credit for companies getting on board?

In the past provinces have been responsible for the level of driver standards.
How does the federal government propose to remove that liberty from
provinces in only one aspect of licencing drivers in each province?
I ask this because you can't very well train one level of driver and expect the
other drivers to know how to interact with each other. That occurs even today
with the lack of driver training which currently exists at ALL levels on our
roadways.

Which leads us to the statistics side of the equation, because you know
(cynically), that statistics are the driving force in the fair and equitable
implementation of standards.
There is a rash of horrific truck crashes, I acknowledge that. When you deal
with immense weights and speed, you are going to have larger scale damage.
But trucks are not the biggest offenders on the road, in fact they are the safest.

I'm an advocate for a high level of commercial driver training, but if we use
statistics to solely make the decisions on who gets trained, and not the emotional
impact by the few tragic events, then those who currently hold a passenger
vehicle licence should be the first to feel the crunch.

The federal government is not going to touch that with a ten foot pole.
So for them to come out with the savior of all highway safety plans
without addressing the questions and the hard truths of life on the
highway, then come 2020 we will see a combination of kneejerk reactions
to a process that was implemented with only the thought of how pretty they
think they will look come election day. [end]

I'll thank Scott Casey for penning a thought provoking article.
I did slightly more than cherry pick as to leave out some portions would
have diminished it's whole.

Hopefully all the provinces & territories can get on the same page concerning what I said in my last post.
South of the border does each state take care of this or does fall under the feds.

[Fancy]

If there's the entry-level national training standard for semi-truck drivers what else should be required?