Taxpayers to Fund Pipeline

blue iguana · Post by **blue iguana** » Jun 10th, 2018, 1:20 pm

Interesting article.

Kinder Morgan Bait & Switch: Backdoor pipeline to Washington State refineries could save Trans Mountain Expansion
http://commonsensecanadian.ca/kinder-mo ... expansion/

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This suggested “redesign” to benefit Washington’s major refineries may have been the plan all along, or at least since November 15, 2016 when Gunton’s former boss – B.C.’s former premier Mike Harcourt – suggested that Kinder Morgan and the federal Liberals “consider an alternate route” to avoid Kinder Morgan’s Westridge Terminal in Burnaby. Even before Trudeau had given federal approval to Kinder Morgan’s expansion project, Harcourt was here urging that the tarsands diluted bitumen (dilbit) be shipped “to either Deltaport or just across the B.C.-Washington state border to the Cherry Point refinery” in order to avoid “insurrection” in B.C.

The Trans Mountain pipeline has a southern leg – called Puget Sound Pipeline – which splits off at Kinder Morgan’s Sumas Terminal in Abbotsford, B.C. and delivers tar sands dilbit to several refineries in Washington State, including the Ferndale Refinery (owned by Phillips 66), the Cherry Point Refinery (owned by BP), the Andeavor Anacortes Refinery (now owned by Marathon Petroleum), and the Shell Anacortes Refinery (owned by Shell Oil).

The Puget Sound Pipeline currently has a capacity of 170,000 barrels per day (bpd), but in the documents filed for its IPO in May 2017, Kinder Morgan indicated that they want to significantly increase that amount, according to Sven Biggs of Stand.earth’s Bellingham, Washington office.

That finding seems to have been part of the reason that the local council of Whatcom County (located in the northwest corner of Washington State), voted 6-1 in June 2017 to effectively put a moratorium on the export of unrefined oil and coal from their area. But refined oil products are allowed in order to protect the hundreds of highly-paid refinery jobs in the state.

Oddly, none of the press coverage of Washington State Governor Jay Inslee’s visit to B.C. in November 2017 mentioned Kinder Morgan’s Puget Sound Pipeline. Inslee had expressed concerns about the Trans Mountain expansion project in terms of ocean oil tanker spills and threats to whales in the region, but apparently no reporter asked him about the southern leg of the project which brings dilbit to Washington’s refineries.

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But it must be said that Gov. Inslee’s May 30 op-ed mentions resistance only to oil transport “by rail and by sea”. Transport of dilbit by the Puget Sound Pipeline goes unmentioned, as does future export and transport of refined gasoline from Washington’s refineries by tanker and barge.

As usual, we are being “played.” Stay tuned.

hobbyguy · Post by **hobbyguy** » Jun 10th, 2018, 4:50 pm

https://www.ctvnews.ca/qp/

Interesting to watch Jagmeet, the so called leader of the federal NDP, dance himself into a corner about the pipeline. Jagmeet talks about the importance of Canadian jobs blah, blah, blah when asked about the Liberal stance in fighting Trump, and says we should be fighting and he supports the fight.

Then Evan asks him, that in view of that, and that the Americans control 99% of our oil exports, does that change his stance on the TMX?

Then Jagmeet quickly changes hats, and becomes Jagmeet the leader of the LEAP fools party. Blather, blather, blather "wind and solar" blather blather "wind and solar".

Evan says what about the hundreds of thousands of Canadian workers dependent on our oil industry? Jagmeet: blather, blather, blah, blather... "wind and solar" ... blather, blather LEAP fool manifesto talk...

Yup, so the fool Jagmeet and his LEAP party are playing right into Trump's grubby little hands.

Beware folks, the "NDP" is no longer the "working people's" NDP, it is now the LEAP party.

ETA for clarity, wind and solar don't work for grid applications. https://stopthesethings.com/2017/12/02/guilty-subsidised-wind-solar-drive-australias-rocketing-retail-power-prices/

normaM · Post by **normaM** » Jun 23rd, 2018, 10:09 am

featfan · Post by **featfan** » Jun 23rd, 2018, 10:43 am

Another reason for pipelines instead of rail use.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story ... 724618002/

featfan · Post by **featfan** » Jun 23rd, 2018, 10:46 am

Another approval for start of terminal construction in Burnaby.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.4719372

Snman · Post by **Snman** » Jun 23rd, 2018, 7:12 pm

Anyone still opposed to pipelines?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.4719569

Man you must be dumb.

Pardon me for the redundant link.

Snman · Post by **Snman** » Jun 23rd, 2018, 7:15 pm

normaM wrote:

Photoshop garbage only weakens your already pathetic argument.

normaM · Post by **normaM** » Jun 24th, 2018, 6:34 am

er you realize it is prolly the most classic meme ever.
Weakens my argument? lol Just because you own a gas can doesn't make one an expert

burnedatstake · Post by **burnedatstake** » Jun 24th, 2018, 12:49 pm

hey now. these MBA wannabe geniuses who know how things work - are saving us plebes from ourselves for themselves. its a knight in shining armor thing for society.

alanjh595 · Post by **alanjh595** » Jun 24th, 2018, 1:04 pm

burnedatstake wrote:hey now. these MBA wannabe geniuses who know how things work - are saving us plebes from ourselves for themselves. its a knight in shining armor thing for society.

WHAT? I don't understand your comment.

mikest2 · Post by **mikest2** » Jun 24th, 2018, 4:18 pm

alanjh595 wrote:
burnedatstake wrote:hey now. these MBA wannabe geniuses who know how things work - are saving us plebes from ourselves for themselves. its a knight in shining armor thing for society.

WHAT? I don't understand your comment.

Quel surprise !

normaM · Post by **normaM** » Jun 24th, 2018, 6:28 pm

do you mean
Quel surprise or Quelle surprise? I like sorpresa myself.
Still don't think this Pipeline going to happen. A pipe dream if you will :)

Drip_Torch · Post by **Drip_Torch** » Jun 24th, 2018, 8:56 pm

For the record, I'm a big fan of the NEB and have always been in favour of blowing vast amounts of cash on Kinder Morgan's pipe dream...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ ... -1.4715921

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. K?

:biggrin:

Drip_Torch · Post by **Drip_Torch** » Jun 24th, 2018, 9:05 pm

Snman wrote:Anyone still opposed to pipelines?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.4719569

Man you must be dumb.

Pardon me for the redundant link.

Any chance you could draw me a diagram or something? I'm totally not seeing the connection between the train in Iowa and the pipeline in BC?

Cactusflower · Post by **Cactusflower** » Jun 24th, 2018, 10:28 pm

Drip_Torch wrote:
Snman wrote:Anyone still opposed to pipelines?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.4719569

Man you must be dumb.

Pardon me for the redundant link.

Any chance you could draw me a diagram or something? I'm totally not seeing the connection between the train in Iowa and the pipeline in BC?

Here's the connection as I see it: 'Oil' spill from train/'oil' spill from pipeline; potaytoes/potahtoes.

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