Prime Minister groping allegation

[Ken7]

Curious where "private parts" came from in the article?

That would make it a "sexual assault" a tap on the top of your head is assault.

[Omnitheo]

The only people who have said sexual assault are you. The article makes no mention of sexual assault. It mentions “inappropriate touching” and “being forward”. Could have been a hand on the shoulder for all you know.

The only facts we have here are:
*A vague description of an event at a party that nobody involved will discuss, by an anonymous person.

*some posters and right wing media sources pulling out words such as sexual assault and groping which were never part of the accusation.

*A lot of right wing posters who have traditionally taken the other approach on any #metoo threads in dismissing any allegations of sexual assault as simply unfounded allegations or witch hunts, suddenly doing a 360 and acting as though they care. And now treating a vague anonymous story in an editorial as more valid than doctor testimonies or video evidence.

*the accused has a long history of respect towards women, and implementing policies to protect women. Making the editorial by an anonymous source less believable.

*some posters now leaning towards conspiracy theories, continuing to try to escalate something without evidence.

*anyone who finds the story suspicious or is waiting for actual evidence is being attacked or called out as a fanbwa.

[generalposter]

*removed*

[Fancy]

The pantywaist assaulted a woman.

You are basing that on third party accusation. I think first hand knowledge would be more appropriate.

[jimmy4321]

Blah blah blah.

The pantywaist assaulted a woman. He and all his soft skinned fan club own it now, proven or not. I don’t need proof to know he’s a predator with a multitude of faces.

Call him what you want, but "proven or not" is pretty dumb.

[the truth]

The pantywaist assaulted a woman.

You are basing that on third party accusation. I think first hand knowledge would be more appropriate.

many on here have no problem bashing trump on third party accusations, but it's not ok to do it if its trudeau you leftwingers kill me

[Fancy]

many on here have no problem bashing trump on third party accusations,

Wouldn't know about posters bashing Trump (don't care). I'm not a leftwinger btw

[burnedatstake]

im a proud snowflake. trump and trudeau are apples and oranges. trump has had these types of things follow him for 40 years. trudeau on the otherhand just suddenly had this allegation pop up. trudeaus allegations will go nowhere. while trumps will get him impeached. night and day. if trudeau is indeed proven guilty beyond a shadow of any shred of doubt - he will pay for it. unfortunately for right wingers who tried to pull the #metoo play out of the playbook on trudeau - the movement has symbiotically morphed (fortunately) from guilty until proven innocent - to cooler heads and proof prevailing. sorry nutjobs - allegations wont cut it anymore - the witchunt is running out of steam.

[Gone_Fishin]

CBC has finally been forced to report on Trudeau's sexual assault on a young woman. Things are unraveling quickly for the fantasy prime minister now that the mainstream media is having to reveal his true character to his most gushing fans.



Trudeau has boxed himself in with his own zero-tolerance policy on sexual misconduct: Robyn Urback


An 18-year-old allegation against Trudeau, originally printed in a community paper, resurfaced this month

Robyn Urback · CBC News · Posted: Jun 27, 2018 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 5 hours ago


If the climate in Canada were different, an 18-year-old allegation of sexual misconduct against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau would be swiftly addressed, then probably dismissed.

The allegation originally appeared in an August 2000 edition of the Creston Valley Advance, a small community newspaper in B.C. The editorial, which resurfaced earlier this month, claimed that the then-28-year-old Trudeau "groped" a young reporter at a music festival, noting that he only apologized when he learned that she worked for a newspaper.

If there was no merit to the allegation, in this hypothetical alternative climate, the Prime Minister's Office could simply say so.

If there was merit to the allegation — again, theoretically speaking — Trudeau could concede that he had indeed behaved unacceptably, and remind us that he has since devoted his life to defending the integrity of all Canadians, but especially women.

Again, only if the climate in Canada were different.

In reality, neither of these options is available to Trudeau.

If the allegation is false (CBC News continues to investigate the claim) Trudeau doesn't really have the option, from a political perspective, to say so.

In the current climate, denying the claim is akin to saying, "She's lying," which is a taboo phrase for the leader of a government that has made believing women central to its approach to sexual misconduct allegations.

If the allegation is true, on the other hand, Trudeau can't simply explain, apologize and attempt to move on. It would look like he afforded himself leniency that he'd denied to members of his caucus who were accused of misconduct.

So the prime minister is stuck: he can't confirm or deny. As a result, his office opted for the most unsatisfactory of all possible responses, telling the National Post that Trudeau does not recall any "negative interactions" in Creston during that time. In other words, Canada's highest-profile women's rights advocate has been stricken by a convenient bout of amnesia.

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And indeed, there would be ample sympathy for this notion, had Trudeau not helped to create the very climate to which he is now vulnerable.

In 2014, he suspended two MPs from the Liberal caucus after allegations surfaced about sexual misconduct. Trudeau publicly named the two — Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti — before actually informing them of the allegations against them. A subsequent independent investigation concluded there was merit to the complaints, though they were of two decidedly different natures: Andrews was accused of harassing behaviour, unwelcome groping and grinding, while Pacetti was accused of sex without "explicit" consent.

There are different contexts, implications and considerations when it comes to what these different claims mean, but the Liberal machine nevertheless lumped them together, forcing the pair to share headlines, a hired investigator, and an announcement of their expulsion. Andrews eventually accepted the findings of the review, saying he's since learned how his "jovial Newfoundland friendliness can be perceived," but Pacetti has always maintained his innocence. That important distinction is often overlooked.

More recently, Kent Hehr, once the minister for sports and persons with disabilities, stepped down from cabinet, initially temporarily, in response to allegations that he made sexually suggestive and other unwelcome comments to a woman in an elevator, and touched a woman inappropriately at an event. Though the subsequent independent investigation found the touch was involuntary (Hehr is a quadriplegic and has limited feeling in and control of his limbs), Hehr conceded that his comments were inappropriate, even though he says he cannot remember the interaction. In any case, Hehr will not return to cabinet.

Interestingly, Hehr managed to maintain his cabinet position up to that point, despite reportedly telling thalidomide survivors that "everyone in Canada has a sob story," and dismissing a Calgary mother's "loaded question" about why the government was denying maternity benefits to sick mothers, saying it was akin to "the old question … 'When did you stop beating your wife?'"

Perhaps it was simply the weight of all of the allegations that made keeping Hehr in cabinet untenable by the time the sexual misconduct claims landed, but the implication is that while there is some tolerance for cabinet members in terms of disparaging the disabled community, there is zero tolerance for harassing women.

Trudeau has said as much in various interviews about his approach to tackling sexual harassment. "We have no tolerance for this — we will not brush things under the rug, but we will take action on it immediately," he told The Canadian Press earlier this year. In a CBC Radio interview around the same time, the prime minister said he should be held to high standards of conduct, adding: "I've been very, very careful all my life to be thoughtful, to be respectful of people's space and people's headspace as well."

In his many interviews on the topic, he has not included an appeal for allowances for youthfulness or genuine remorse, or simply the acknowledgement that people sometimes do bad things. This is not to suggest that any combination of these factors should necessarily exonerate the aforementioned men. I only mean to point out that the excuses that some have already used to defend the prime minister against this one accusation (This was almost 20 years ago!) haven't actually crossed his lips.

Trudeau has essentially boxed himself in with his own zero-tolerance policy. He has made clear, over and over again, that there is no time limit on defending women's rights or for standing up for what is right. This is the climate that Trudeau helped create. He can't forget that now.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/trudeau ... -1.4723664

[techrtr]

Hmmm, maybe that's why he's going to create a "Feminism Ambassador" post - to show the world that he's not really just another rich horndog.

[Fancy]

CBC wasn't "forced" to report on this - it's an opinion piece only.

[floppi]

This article from the National Post seems more researched and balanced then anything else I've read about the obscure dirt from 18 years ago.

http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/w ... too-moment

[Btfsplck]

Long live double standards.

[Ken7]

Hmmm, maybe that's why he's going to create a "Feminism Ambassador" post - to show the world that he's not really just another rich horndog.

Maybe he should step down as PM. He would walk out a party favorite if it was alleged that he had sexually assault a woman. Maybe he needs to walk too.

[Ken7]

Long live double standards.

Likely not his first stab at it either. He is just a snowboarding rich kid. Time to go!!